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Why does pain exist?

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57 minutes ago, Vibes said:

@Razard86 Looking from a point of view of progression it makes sense. Coming from nothing to mastering survival, then God knows what next. Right now I see the world and there are more people suffering and in shit conditions than masters of survival and spiritual masters, but if there is progression then in a few centuries humanity will evolve more = less suffering and more harmony all around. Assuming that because we went from caveman to living comfortably with more enjoyment in life.

But is there progression really? Now things start to twist. You say nothing ever happened, so history is imaginary as much as my birth and as much as everything else, just different kinds / levels of imagination? 

If God creates through a snowball effect kind of thing, then there must be progression and it makes sense to say that now is perfect because it's all there is and a future doesn't exist. Or is God creating right now without any cause for the creation? In other words I'm not here because my mother gave birth to me and all the history of the universe backed it up. All that is imagined right now.

If I drink poison now, I'll suffer a few seconds from now. Even tough it's all imaginary, all have consequences and I'll experience everything as real... Seems like there's no escape.

 

It's an infinite perspective, what is true is depending on what perspective/model you are using to look at it. What I have noticed is you lot on these forums are too paradigm locked, you don't have the ability to jump to different perspectives. You don't because you don't contemplate enough. If you just take what is being presented to you, and don't question it then you don't really understand, what you have is memory not understanding.

It's not your fault because the school systems of humans teach that learning is memory. Learning is NOT memory, learning is understanding. What is understanding? The ability to communicate from different perspectives something. To fully understand something is not just to know all the ways something is right, it's also to know all the ways it can be wrong/misinterpreted, and all the limitations of the knowledge as well.

This takes a LOT OF CONTEMPLATION!!! Understanding cannot be given to you, you have to earn it through hours of questioning on end to figure it out. Many people on here are just parrots that repeat what they hear, and if you question them they will try to strategically hide the fact that they don't have understanding by repeating the same talking points (it happens in politics as well). Talking points is how someone disconnects from a conversation to save face by not addressing what is being communicated but to instead defend their position. 

It's annoying because people who are not aware of how debates and discussions work won't even be aware they are doing it, and can honestly think they are being honest because they don't contemplate. If you don't contemplate, you will be an unaware dishonest person who latches onto beliefs and parrots them and tries to spread them even though...you don't actually understand what you are talking about.

How to test if you know something? Can you explain it in multiple ways? Do you know the limitations of that knowledge? Do you understand where people make mistakes and get confused? If you cannot answer these questions.....then you do not understand. And if you demonize understanding ......you are a lost cause. Anyone that demonizes understanding and meaning is a fool. Why? Because meaning is a creation of a higher intelligence. Only a creator can create meaning. Human intelligence always creates meaning whether you are conscious of it or not. So if you demonize meaning and understanding...you are fooling yourself in the funniest way possible. 

But hey you can always use meaning, to not understand meaning which is the same to use understanding to not understand understanding. And this is what someone does when they demonize knowledge and meaning.

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You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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Why did God create mildly uncomfortable feelings, like feeling sweaty or itchy?


Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being.

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22 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why did God create mildly uncomfortable feelings, like feeling sweaty or itchy?

Nothing in this world can replace the pleasure of relieving the itch by scratching.

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1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why did God create mildly uncomfortable feelings, like feeling sweaty or itchy?

There are people that enjoys sweating and love to feel the sensation of an itch. Unconditional love, baby. Uncomfortable for you but might not be for someone else. 


One Love....

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2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Yeah the universe is so interconnected in  a complex way that, humanity just discovered quantum physics officially on December 14, 1900. And now in 2024 they still cannot make sense of it and how it connects on the gross/physical level. Over the years they have started to see the symmetry but they still have not be able to run enough tests to get enough information to see enough of it to create a model that can explains how it all works. 

Once quantum mechanics fuses with mysticism is where the real discoveries will be obtained and humans will make a huge jump. Just got to get humans out of paradigm lock, even human spirituality is full of paradigm lock.

I will become a superhuman and live 2000 years.


The devil is in the details.

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1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

There are people that enjoys sweating and love to feel the sensation of an itch. Unconditional love, baby. Uncomfortable for you but might not be for someone else. 

Either way, God doesn't give a fook.


Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being.

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On 29.4.2024 at 7:58 PM, Someone here said:

No one has answered anything . My question goes much deeper than that. 

So far all I'm hearing is "without pain you can't appreciate joy " cliche in different ways to articulate . As if this is a limitation upon God.  As if God can't create a world better than this with zero pain and max joy .

Results like these don't belong in the resemay of a supreme being . If that's the best God can do then I'm not impressed. 

Lol. Let's try again, shall we?

Without contrast, there can be no experience. A thing can only exist / be experienced in relation to its (perceived) opposite. In other words: Light without darkness is not light, up without down is not up, white without black is not white. In a universe where the only thing that exists is the color white, the color white does not exist because there is nothing to contrast it with. Get it now?

No offense, but it's a hoot how some of you guys on here are trying to reach "enlightenment" / "God consciousness" without even understanding the most basic and fundamental principles of existence. Talk about putting the cart before the horse, sheesh.

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18 hours ago, An young being said:

Nothing in this world can replace the pleasure of relieving the itch by scratching.

Hahaha, exactly.

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51 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Lol. Let's try again, shall we?

Without contrast, there can be no experience. A thing can only exist / be experienced in relation to its (perceived) opposite. In other words: Light without darkness is not light, up without down is not up, white without black is not white. In a universe where the only thing that exists is the color white, the color white does not exist because there is nothing to contrast it with. Get it now?

No offense, but it's a hoot how some of you guys on here are trying to reach "enlightenment" / "God consciousness" without even understanding the most basic and fundamental principles of existence. Talk about putting the cart before the horse, sheesh.

Remember, God dumbed itself down. What do you expect. Sheesh!!. 😜


One Love....

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18 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Lol. Let's try again, shall we?

Without contrast, there can be no experience. A thing can only exist / be experienced in relation to its (perceived) opposite. In other words: Light without darkness is not light, up without down is not up, white without black is not white. In a universe where the only thing that exists is the color white, the color white does not exist because there is nothing to contrast it with. Get it now?

No offense, but it's a hoot how some of you guys on here are trying to reach "enlightenment" / "God consciousness" without even understanding the most basic and fundamental principles of existence. Talk about putting the cart before the horse, sheesh.

I think you need differences not necessarily opposites, you can have the difference between light and lighter or instead light and the sensation of eating potato chips probably because there are elements of each other and many others in both, just putting it in a slightly cooler way, the difference between a cube and a museum or a 2d structure in non-euclidean space(don't even know what that means) and the Palestinian massacre where billions of humans beings were flayed alive and we all celebrated and then we nuked Israel for fun and both sides laughed because that's infinity and contrast.

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