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17 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

So now you're suggesting for him to hate on simps. Now it'll be two sets of people we have to constantly hear about from him on the forum. Let him stick to hating on only pretty women, maybe he'll tire of it one day. 

Let's say you've gone through some traumatic shit. Now, self-blame is a common coping-mechanism when that happens. And, the 'take responsibility' rhetoric often-times reinforces this issue. 

To break a cycle of self-blame, you have to blame others for your problems. You have to 'put the blame where it belongs', so to speak. In the short-term situation, someone else is to blame. Of course, in the grand scheme of things, this blame-game is pointless and it doesn't matter who is to blame, now fixing it is your responsibility. But, to get to that point, you have to get the facts straight relative to the short-term situation. 

I don't know about you, but I would rather hate someone else than hate myself. If OP is going to publicly own that they hate some group of people, they think it's the right thing to do. Meaning, they think that the only alternative is to hate themselves. Now, the problem here, is that if you're going to hate the wrong group of people, those who aren't actually to blame for your short-term issues, you will get stuck. So, in my opinion, it helps to give some perspective on who is to blame and where the high-leverage points are in this whole equation. Then, you can direct your negative energy to constructive ends, as opposed to destructive ends. 

17 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

He won't hate on simps anyway because that's not who he's trying to get laid with.

If I could snap my fingers and get him to stop hating people, I would. But, I can't do that. 

And, he is trying to get laid with hot women. So, hating them is counterproductive. 

But, if you see who the real problem is (the simps who enable the pedestalization of hot women), you can do something about that. You can stop following IG models, you can quit porn, you can stop thinking with your dick around hot women. You can channel your sexual-energy towards constructive ways. 

And, for the record, I did say that his problem is not with women, it's with simps. 

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6 hours ago, Kid A said:

My best friend is a hot woman, and she was beaten up on Friday because she rejected a guy. She woke up in the emergency room with a concussion and stitches in her scalp. The guy who did it got away, just like most guys who commit rape. "Simps" sure didn't help her...

If some pretty girls really are toxic, maybe things like this might help explain?

Simps aren't of any use to hot women where it actually matters. They will just parrot feminist talking-points when it suits them, socially. Or, they will put hot women on a pedestal in social contexts. They don't actually give a shit about women's safety! But, it's very easy to play women when you parrot feminist talking-points. 

They will only be seen to us when we say something like 'Women need men to protect them because the average man is physically bigger and stronger than the average woman'. There, they'll be like 'REEE!!! Equality!! Women can do everything a man can do!!' And the problem is that women lap up this rhetoric, until something like this happens. Then, the 'you go girl' simps are nowhere to be seen! 

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1 hour ago, bebotalk said:

It seems the Salvjnus "I dont' get human beings/my perceptions are bad :(" vibe is spreading. 

Starting to get famous here B|


Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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1 hour ago, bebotalk said:

this is why pretty woen aren't nice people. who are they lecture anybody? especially when stated rules state the contrary? and why are there views on WHO can say whatmatter? they take up this false "authority". authority HAS TO BE warranted and earned. fuck authority. not my fault pretties cannot control their brains and not ALL voice their views. Funny grown adults cannot control their brains, since it hurts their feelings. 

Go fuck yourself. Let's see who gets the warning. Probably me.


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@Princess Arabia What you are not seeing is that all of them are getting warning points, many of them are on the edge of getting banned .I wouldnt turn this into a gender wars its certen individuals lost ,if you ask me i would ban him because he is not here to learn but then if im doing that ill become the problem because its not my forum to put such high standards.

Times i verbaly tell someone to stop is because thread has potential,but there are few things that need to stop otherwise i have to lock it.If having problem always contact someone males will be males.


Who teaches us whats real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend?Who chain us? And who holds the Key that can set us free? 

It's you.

You have all the weapons you need 

Now fight.

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1 minute ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Princess Arabia What you are not seeing is that all of them are getting warning points, many of them are on the edge of getting banned .I wouldnt turn this into a gender wars its certen individuals lost ,if you ask me i would ban him because he is not here to learn but then if im doing that ill become the problem because its not my forum to put such high standards.

Times i verbaly tell someone to stop is because thread has potential,but there are few things that need to stop otherwise i have to lock it.If having problem always contact someone males will be males.

Please don't say males will be males. Matter of fact, I'm just going to see it for what it is. I'll go be a female and stay in my place. Enough said.


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@Princess Arabia I thought you learned that i seperate a male and a man,so there are ways males behave and ways men behave.

Also you dont tell a man what to do only if you see me as male 😆


Who teaches us whats real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend?Who chain us? And who holds the Key that can set us free? 

It's you.

You have all the weapons you need 

Now fight.

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Just now, NoSelfSelf said:

@Princess Arabia I thought you learned that i seperate a male and a man,so there are ways males behave and ways men behave.

Also you dont tell a man what to do only if you see me as male 😆

Ok


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1 hour ago, bebotalk said:

does self-defence offend you? I know it does in some spiritual communities, but then for many it's a natural right. 

I don't care if it seems petty to some. pretty women don't own shit. so if they mess me up in public, then they get it. they as all people are responsible for their actions. seems like you're ms. pretty here and want to a prior "regulate" who does what. 

It’s not self defense, it’s overreacting to minor slights. It’s clear this is based on personal reasons given your rationalizations for it and talk about “enemies” and that it’s “fighting back”.

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6 minutes ago, Raze said:

It’s not self defense, it’s overreacting to minor slights. It’s clear this is based on personal reasons given your rationalizations for it and talk about “enemies” and that it’s “fighting back”.

You are right. 
 

What he is doing is not self defence. It’s actually self harm.


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Posted (edited)

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Go fuck yourself. Let's see who gets the warning. Probably me.

Why sink below your own standards here? He gets offended and acts out… you get offended and act out. It’s all bullshit. 
 

I will close the thread if it gets out of hand. 
 

Conflict is healthy when we do it without taking things personally. 
 

The reason I am making this thread unhidden and open is because I think what bebotalk is dealing with many men are dealing with. He will not see what I see in him overnight. 
 

Don’t expect anyone to change and agree with you instantly. 
 

@bebotalk Has some unfortunate beliefs right now and the goal is to hear him, and help him reflect. 
 

@Princess Arabia Please do not post in this thread anymore. 

Edited by Thought Art

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1 hour ago, bebotalk said:

this is why pretty woen aren't nice people. who are they lecture anybody? especially when stated rules state the contrary? and why are there views on WHO can say whatmatter? they take up this false "authority". authority HAS TO BE warranted and earned. fuck authority. not my fault pretties cannot control their brains and not ALL voice their views. Funny grown adults cannot control their brains, since it hurts their feelings. 

I’d same the same to you. By recognizing your own bullshit and hypocrisy you can save yourself a lot of needless fighting and living in a nightmare. 
 

Take time to self reflect deeper on this matter. Is that really who you want to be? Do you want to be that small and petty that you get offended by pretty women?

Or, would you like to pursue the path of a superior man, who leads and holds himself to higher standards.

We all deal with bad thoughts on our path which is why I’m not demonizing you. I get it. But, your bigger than that.


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14 minutes ago, Raze said:

It’s not self defense, it’s overreacting to minor slights. It’s clear this is based on personal reasons given your rationalizations for it and talk about “enemies” and that it’s “fighting back”.

Society/the world - self-defence is normal!

you - it's wrong! (but in other cases will say it's right)

 

 

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Just now, bebotalk said:

Society/the world - self-defence is normal!

you - it's wrong! (but in other cases will say it's right)

 

 

What you are doing is not self defence it’s bullshit.


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Just now, Thought Art said:

I’d same the same to you. By recognizing your own bullshit and hypocrisy you can save yourself a lot of needless fighting and living in a nightmare. 
 

Take time to self reflect deeper on this matter. Is that really who you want to be? Do you want to be that small and petty that you get offended by pretty women?

Or, would you like to pursue the path of a superior man, who leads and holds himself to higher standards.

We all deal with bad thoughts on our path which is why I’m not demonizing you. I get it. But, your bigger than that.

I don't ever regulate beliefs. I genuinely believe anybody can say what they want. What is being a man? it's relative somewhat. so many "men" have darker thoughts. Your reality isn't THE reality. 

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If he really wanted a girlfriend, he would have a whole agenda about it and would go as far as possible, even if that included tricky decisions like cosmetic surgery, hair implants, or whatever.
Or at least he would complain "genuinely".

As I am chronically hypervigilant (to the point of becoming severely insomniac), I remember having these quarrelsome and hateful tendencies a few years ago, largely because I was purely and simply jealous of their lack of vigilance.
I mean I acted like some sort of robotic fascist on a daily basis, and I was naturally annoyed by people with a more butterfly, safer, humane, light, biased, inconsiderate, neotenic, whatever you want lol, personality.
Op looks like my exaggerated mirror of this phenomenon, how we can see his pleasure in "cool down" attractive people, somehow bringing them back "to his survival mode".

Except that in fact his attavistic will, of his "true self", is ultimately precisely to disidentify from this survival mode.
Given that this is prohibited by his ego ("tyranistic, archaic superego", typical of paranoia and traumas associated with paranoid symptoms) he projects all of this outside and will in fact have a natural tendency to recreate the traumatic scenes until to capitulation.

@NoSelfSelf is right, because if you drown the fish like @Thought Art, well that preserves the status quo.
Whereas if you bring him back to his negativity and punish him accordingly, well he will occasionally suffer from the confrontation with his own destructiveness, from his traumatic fear of being left to his own devices, etc. 
But once this has passed, he will have at least partially healed his trauma and will be more inclined to resonate pragmatically, be honest about his interests etc etc.

I don't know if what I'm saying is clear.

 


If you dont understand, you're not twisted enough.

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The reality is @bebotalk hates these women because he wants them but doesnt feel worthy, so lashing out is a way to gain power over a sutuation where he feels powerless. If he can make these women feel bad or feel any emotion he has exerted power and also in someway gained some kind of connection with them.

The problem he will find is that he will constantly live on this state of hatred and self defence. For the women maybe it'll annoy them for a day, for him he will be in this negative emotion indefinitely, so much so that the longer it goes the harder it will be to get out. How he feels inside will be reflected back to him as he pushes these women to go down to his level. 

This will be the ongoing consequences for this type of mentality and unless he recognises this and makes effort to change he will be doomed to go through this. I'm not sure anyone's words can pull him out it's really on him to go through this, but if he does want out I'm sure many will help him 

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@Thought Art I knew it you symphatize with him because deep down you feel the same,she can post if this guy can hate its not your forum fare is fare.

@Schizophonia I didnt get anything you are saying 😅 

 

 


Who teaches us whats real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend?Who chain us? And who holds the Key that can set us free? 

It's you.

You have all the weapons you need 

Now fight.

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Posted (edited)

18 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Why sink below your own standards here? He gets offended and acts out… you get offended and act out. It’s all bullshit. 
 

I will close the thread if it gets out of hand. 
 

Conflict is healthy when we do it without taking things personally. 
 

The reason I am making this thread unbidden and open is because I think what bebotalk is dealing with many men are dealing with. He will not see what I see in him overnight. 
 

Don’t expect anyone to change and agree with you instantly. 
 

@bebotalk Has some unfortunate beliefs right now and the goal is to hear him, and help him reflect. 
 

@Princess Arabia Please do not post in this thread anymore. 

You said don't post in this thread anymore and I won't. This is the last thing I will say unless you address me to respond. 

I knew I would be the one, reprimanded, like I said. This is why the gender wars will continue. When a woman speaks up, she gets shunned. Nothing this guy says is of value to anyone who hates women. @Emeraldgives results. This guy spreads hate. I will leave this thread but it is not without thinking that men will get away with more disgraceful things than women will. They get empathy for their hate, while women get reprimanded for speaking out. I've seen where OP told  @Sugarcoatcurse words probably worse than what i said to him and nothing was said to him. Hes constantly speaking down to forum members and nothing is publicly said. If he gets warnings, they are useless because he's still doing it. Not just expressing his opinions, but actually cursing.

I will leave now and not say another word, unless addressed to do so by you.

Edited by Princess Arabia

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Posted (edited)

On 4/13/2024 at 0:30 AM, Thought Art said:

@bebotalk As a man, in my view we don’t view foolish, childish, or selfish people as enemies.

We see them as children, as people deserving of love but don’t know any better. 
 

Much like the love I’m showing you now. 
 

I am holding you accountable to man the fuck up, and love. Stop treating women as if they are your enemies. They are not. 
 

 

The funny thing is I completely understand him, as I grew up in a toxic school system where in elementary and middle school the girls bullied me especially some of the pretty ones.

So I can empathize. But here is something I noticed, why would I be a jerk to a jerk? I mean I could....but now..I'm the same as them so we are both just jerks.

Also...once you practice being a jerk to them over time it will become who you are. You see selfishness is like a disease, you don't fight it by giving it back, you fight it by acknowledging that selfish people are not aware of how nonintelligent they are acting.

You say they should know better, I know better! Oh really? Then why did you not know better to not let a jerk sucker you into being a jerk? You were just as clueless as them, perhaps even more so because you were supposed to know better.

Also admit right before you give someone a taste of their own medicine, notice the sinister feeling that arises that you usually ignore right before you perform the act.

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You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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