Karmadhi

Why doesnt the West, especially the US, abandon Israel?

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With Israel atrocities reaching new heights to the point where they are killing foreign citizens (Polish, American, British etc), it is becoming harder for me to understand why they are willing to tolerate this to no end?

We have seen countries that are not Western openly go against Israel. Examples would be starting a genocide case against them and cut ties with Israel.

Now, I am not saying that Israel should be military attacked by the West, however it should get the Russian treatment based on them breaking all international law.

That would entail sanctions, cutting of relations and expulsion of ambassadors.

My question is, why is this not happening?

How exactly does Israel, such a small country benefit the West so much that it is willing to abandon all its principles to support it without restraint?

And this has been going on for decades, not 5 months ago.

These days, the West, especially US has pretty good relations with most Middle Eastern countries like Saudi, Egypt and UAE.

Israel is just making the West look so bad, loosing tons of support for their values, exposing them not only as hypocrites but downright cowards when their citizens get murdered and they do not do anything about it.

Not to mention funding Israel costs.

Seem like a huge burden.

Is it because of the Holocaust? USA nor UK were not involved (biggest Israel allies). Also, I have not seen any empathy for other groups that also faced equally horrible genocides like the Armenians, the Tutis in Rwanda, or the Slavs during WW2 (especially Belarus loosing over 25 to 33% of its population to Nazis).

Is it because Israel is their only ally in the region? Perhaps in the past yes, but these days as I wrote above, they tend to have good relations with other big players there.

Is it because of subconscious racism? Western Europe especially is mostly Green now, this should not be the case anymore. They took so many refugees for example.

So out of reasons I would like some arguments from you guys.

And please, do not start using conspiracy theories to explain it.

Stuff like "Jews own all the media, they own the West, Illuminati, Elites".

Thank you in advance.

 

 

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The west seems to have a history of creating Israel is a way


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@Karmadhi

The Israeli alliance is, and has been for a long time, of strategic importance for the US.

The US does not want to jeopardize it. But they also do not want to look bad on the world stage or like they don't support Gaza civilians.

So we get these strange situations where the US acts like it cares (air drops food / aid to Gaza) but fundamentally does little to stop Israel.

They are trying to appease all sides. 

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The west, within the level of leaders, parliaments and upper half older (ages 40+) population is more mature, experienced, knows Israel much better over a much broader time frame perspective, in comparison to the average pro palestinian activist in the streets. 

Also, the west during last decade is going through a growing threat from his own population, and deep down knows what Israel represents and the function of Israel values, abilities and experience in facing those kind of threats.

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Because Israel is a country built on "western values" and Palestine is not.

And because of religious alignment.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is actually a proxy war between Judeo-Christianity and Islam. Look at who supports Israel and Palestine most passionately, it's the religious nutcases. They are fueling this war from both sides.

Two different Stage Blue neighbors cannot co-exist peacefully, because they are both too dogmatic in their ways.

It all boils down to values alignment. In most cases people just reflexively defend the side that aligns with their values.

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10 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

And please, do not start using conspiracy theories to explain it.

Stuff like "Jews own all the media, they own the West, Illuminati, Elites".

This is the answer. Jews or people with a strong Israeli bias own the US politicians.

This is why US supports Israel *unconditionally*.

If US was supporting Israel for diplomatic or strategic reasons, it would have been understandable. It's a give an take relationship. 

But this is a take-take relationship where Israel gets billions in funding and US gets nothing in return.

But their politicians would get hundreds of millions. 

If you don't believe me, just tell me what strategic advantages is the US getting from having relationship with Israel.

They did get 9/11 and the name of a genocide enabler in the 21st century violating their own laws and constitution.

Anything else? 

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3 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Jews or people with a strong Israeli bias own the US politicians.

You don't need to own people who already share your perspective from the outset.

Why would the US support or care about Palestine? What doesn't Palestine do for America? Nothing.

The only reason people care about Palestine is for social justice reasons. But US policy is not based on social justice, it is based on survival.

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2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The question is why doesn't the West abandon Israel.

Why would it? The US and Israel have much in common. Israel's selfish and closedminded foreign policy is outdone only by the US.

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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

The only reason people care about Palestine is for social justice reasons. But US policy is not based on social justice, it is based on survival.

How does Israel help the US survive?

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4 minutes ago, Raze said:

How does Israel help the US survive?

By buying billions in weapons and by millions in donations and legalized bribes.

Palestine is too poor and too foreign for the US to really care about it.

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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What doesn't Palestine do for America

Well, getting your reputation tarnished as a genocide enabler comes a lot. That a pretty good reason to support Palestine. 

There is a big difference between doing nothing and enabling a genocide which the US is doing. 

Do you even realize that it's illegal for US to allow for foreign aid that results in genocide activities? 

Something suspicious when you do illegal stuff to suck up to Israel.

Why is US going through immense pain to support Israel? 

Israel owns your country. Accept it. 

US and Israel is being increasingly isolated from the world stage. This is becoming a joke at this point. 

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

By buying billions in weapons.

They don’t buy as much, the US buys it with tax payer money and sends it.

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1 minute ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Do you even realize that it's illegal for US to allow for foreign aid that results in genocide activities? 

Do you even realize that there is no one to enforce law on the US?

2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Why is US going through immense pain to support Israel? 

There is little pain from the US side. The pain is all outsourced overseas.


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3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is little pain from the US side. The pain is all outsourced overseas.

Terror attacks like 9/11 happened in large part due to US support of Israel. 

Israel’s lobby also pushed for the US to go to war in Iraq and torpedoed early attempts from Iran to normalize peace 

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The US supports Israel because it strategically benefits the US, it's as simple as that. Israel is akin to a huge American military base in the Middle East which it can use to push its interests.
Look at another ally of the US - Saudi Arabia and the atrocities they're committing towards Yemenites. That's geopolitics for ya. Human Rights organisations (Amnesty International etc) have been speaking out about Apartheid in Israel, ethnic cleansings and displacement of natives in illegally occupied Palestine for decades. What collective West have been doing about it? Nothing

The West doesn't care about human rights violations and war crimes as long as it gains something from it. 

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4 minutes ago, Raze said:

Terror attacks like 9/11 happened in large part due to US support of Israel.

But the US doesn't see it that way.


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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

By buying billions in weapons and by millions in donations and legalized bribes.

Again, if they were buying weapons from the US, I would understand how the US would benefit. That would be a normal relationship. 

Why would you send billions in foreign aid, financed by American taxpayers, for Israel?

4 billions dollars in weapons for FREE.

What do you get in return for the foreign aid that you are sending? 

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do you even realize that there is no one to enforce law on the US?

US is responsible for enforcing law on itself. Law is to be followed within the country.

Just like there is nobody to enforce law on China. There are Chinese laws to be followed in China.

Giving foreign aid to commit genocide is an illegal activity that happens within the United States. 

Someone idealistic like Bernie Sanders could easily move the Supreme Court over the issue. It's not that wild of a possibility as you think. 

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

By buying billions in weapons and by millions in donations and legalized bribes.

That's called buying & owning US politicians.

And this money comes from within the US, from firms and hedge funds owned by the jewish diaspora in the US. Not from Israel. 

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45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because Israel is a country built on "western values" and Palestine is not.

And because of religious alignment.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is actually a proxy war between Judeo-Christianity and Islam. Look at who supports Israel and Palestine most passionately, it's the religious nutcases. They are fueling this war from both sides.

Two different Stage Blue neighbors cannot co-exist peacefully, because they are both too dogmatic in their ways.

It all boils down to values alignment. In most cases people just reflexively defend the side that aligns with their values.

I recently heard many Israeli are secular Jews, is this not true?


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So the west is selfish evil and Palestinians who hang gays and cooperators on electric polls are victims? That simple? Help me understand this logic guys.


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