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Do you like nndmt?

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I can verify at this point 5-meo-dmt feels scary or overwhelming not because is revealing something "bad" but because IS revealing something beyond the normal human system is used to experiencing/perceiving.

You can not just expect to Live 20-30-40-50 years of your Life as an ego consciousness, get catapulted into Infinite perception and expect that the system Will not react completely shocked and terrified.

Last months ive been tapping to the exactly same energy of 5-meo with yoga tools, and everytime this energy tried to be perceived/opened Up, i instantly see how the body and ego structure fast closes and rejects it in a way (even Though It does feel "beyond good", the body IS not used to that level of "goodness", so for the ego that level it is seen as "fear"). 

The point is to be preparing your body and mind in order to handle the energy of Infinity comfortably. Kind of like Building an stable staircase. Instead of jumping from 0 to 100 on a trampolin.

 

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Sorry for the derailing the topic, answering OP question my opinion is DMT is much more gentle and simple. Is basic non duality. But It does not have the breaks of perception that 5-meo has. So It is a limited non duality. All thought, stabilizing oneself in that level would already be a heavenly acconplishment.


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@Javfly33 That is alright. Comparing these two substances it useful for forum users.


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23 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

My guess would be that you either took too much 5-MeO-DMT, because it alters the N-N-DMT experience if you take it too soon afterward. Like N-N-DMT then is more similar to 5-MeO. Or you haven't inhaled enough DMT on your previous trips. For me, it's really not easy to inhale enough DMT to have a serious breakthrough. Because the smoke is so hard on the lungs, I sometimes have to train for weeks so I can inhale enough. 

I tend to take n,n DMT orally. I’ve had 7 trips so far but never encountered any beings. Never done 5 MEO or any other psychedelics either.

My dosage is 125-135mg, this is currently my upper limit on having the motor control to type on my phone as insights hit me. Any higher and I am pretty much incapacitated, slightly traumatised and recall isn’t so good since I’m relying on memory. 

psychedelics impact people differently, but for my understanding are people saying you tend to see other beings on higher or lower doses of n,n DMT? 

On my trips I monologue/speak to myself but I only ever recognize it as myself as God. As a newbie I tried 200mg once which was way too much but I don’t recall seeing anything other than myself

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@woohoo123 The "beings" phenomena is real. But, it's hard to call it a being. The trip is usually well beyond ideas of it being a being. 

I have seen blue people, faces, hands, similar to description of "machine elves" but whatever.

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19 hours ago, woohoo123 said:

psychedelics impact people differently, but for my understanding are people saying you tend to see other beings on higher or lower doses of n,n DMT? 

In my experience, the dosage has to be very high. I have never taken DMT orally, only smoked it. For example, if I take a breakthrough dose of DMT, there is no more motor control or anything like that because I leave the body behind.

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On 4/1/2024 at 9:21 PM, halfknots said:

Sublingual MAOI salts plus low-medium strength homemade cart. Much slower, more time to explore, incredible afterglow. When people claim nn-DMT is of lower value, I assume they haven't explored it's full potential.

I think this is referred to as "vaporhuasca".  What dosage of sublingual harmalas do you use?

Ma

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This is like asking, Do you like sex and pizza?


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51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is like asking, Do you like sex and pizza?

Leo its really hard to discern your true position on sexuality and lust. Im not sure if you have made it explicit. What is your perception of lust? Pretty much every religion and spiritual tradiiton sees lust as the negation of love, yet its not clear you agree, will you ever make a video on lust specifically

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23 minutes ago, bambi said:

Leo its really hard to discern your true position on sexuality and lust. Im not sure if you have made it explicit. What is your perception of lust? Pretty much every religion and spiritual tradiiton sees lust as the negation of love, yet its not clear you agree, will you ever make a video on lust specifically

My attitude towards sex is pretty chill. I regard it as a human need, similar to hunger. It needs to be satisfied in a healthy way, and stop making a big deal of it.


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41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My attitude towards sex is pretty chill. I regard it as a human need, similar to hunger. It needs to be satisfied in a healthy way, and stop making a big deal of it.

Will you ever do a video on sexuality as it pertains to different forms of health, and degeneracy, how it can form addictions and compulsions, etc etc. It seems such an integral part of humanity yet so deeply underspoken about in what consittutes a balanced healthy sexual expression. Almost precisely 0 humans have figured this out

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1 hour ago, bambi said:

Pretty much every religion and spiritual tradiiton sees lust as the negation of love

This is, of course, strictly untrue, since everything is love. So to paint lust as "not-love" is lying.

Remember that most religions include rituals and moral laws that are largely arbitrary for the sake of controlling the population.

Read Plato's Phaedrus in-detail for the ultimate reconciliation between mundane lust and divine love. They are one and the same, you just need to stay anchored in higher wisdom/consciousness so as not to get trapped 


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6 hours ago, MaDoubt said:

I think this is referred to as "vaporhuasca".  What dosage of sublingual harmalas do you use?

Ma

Yes vaporhuasca. I believe 120mg 

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27 minutes ago, halfknots said:

Yes vaporhuasca. I believe 120mg 

For sublingual harmalas, the dosage would be much less. 30mg would be considered a medium/high dose.

I'm not even sure you could easily fit 120mg of harmalas under your tongue.

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3 hours ago, What Am I said:

For sublingual harmalas, the dosage would be much less. 30mg would be considered a medium/high dose.

I'm not even sure you could easily fit 120mg of harmalas under your tongue.

Can you share some resources pointing to this?

3 hours ago, What Am I said:

 

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5 hours ago, bambi said:

Will you ever do a video on sexuality as it pertains to different forms of health, and degeneracy, how it can form addictions and compulsions, etc etc. It seems such an integral part of humanity yet so deeply underspoken about in what consittutes a balanced healthy sexual expression. Almost precisely 0 humans have figured this out

I don't have much to say about it.


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3 hours ago, halfknots said:

Can you share some resources pointing to this?

Sure, here's a couple. That top one is a pretty nice DMT guide that I used to reference a lot back in the day. You can find the suggested sublingual harmala dosages in section 1.2. In the Reddit link, the recommendations are a bit higher than what I'd personally enjoy. 20-30mg of sublingual harmine should effectively inhibit MAO, while not overdoing it and causing undesirable side effects.

https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/the-essential-dmt-guide.331794/

https://www.reddit.com/r/harmalas/comments/pg7h4b/psychoactive_dose_range_for_harmala_alkaloids/

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17 hours ago, What Am I said:

Sure, here's a couple. That top one is a pretty nice DMT guide that I used to reference a lot back in the day. You can find the suggested sublingual harmala dosages in section 1.2. In the Reddit link, the recommendations are a bit higher than what I'd personally enjoy. 20-30mg of sublingual harmine should effectively inhibit MAO, while not overdoing it and causing undesirable side effects.

https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/the-essential-dmt-guide.331794/

https://www.reddit.com/r/harmalas/comments/pg7h4b/psychoactive_dose_range_for_harmala_alkaloids/

Nice thank you. If 30-40mg is enough for MAO inhibition, I'm not sure where I got 120mg from or why it was recommended.

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19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't have much to say about it.

 

Interesting, you speak on PUA, dating, even pornography, is it becuase you are still figuring it out yourself?

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18 hours ago, bambi said:

Interesting, you speak on PUA, dating, even pornography, is it becuase you are still figuring it out yourself?

My view of sex is simple and straightforward. It doesn't require much figuring out.


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