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9 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:I see your point.
Figured you would
9 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:What could be a better way?
No way as way...
3 hours ago, Faceless said:Facing what-is all the way through
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Seeking psychological security in getting a buzz, and seeking psychological security in “spirituality”, really being one and the same movement of the self seeking security in thought(pleasure).
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16 minutes ago, Misagh said:Does Shiva feel responsibility when he dances the dance of death?
?Indeed...
an example of “the i” clinging to its own movement/content.
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Just now, Misagh said:@Faceless Your point is valid. Perhaps he will learn of his own accord.
Perhaps not.
The Responsibility is on “us” “we “ (consciousnesses) ??
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20 minutes ago, Misagh said:The trickery of the mind is of no concern. My mind is silent and in bliss for the most part. I call upon it if i need to do something practical. I have gone past the "I-am" state. Alas this is how we communicate in English.
To tell someone they are THE SELF and not share about the trickery of mind...you do not see the danger in that?
And again, this is not directed at “you”, but “us”..(consciousness).
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Facing what-is all the way through is essential.
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5 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:Don’t you think is helpful to first differentiate oneself from thoughts if you are new to this?
I don’t, no. To me that is going beyond where one has yet begun. To start off out of the gate in the illusion of psychological time.
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4 minutes ago, Misagh said:@Faceless This is not an idea. This how IT is. I have adopted this language to communicate. Amongst the free there is no need for this communication.
To point to the trickery of the mind is essential. Then there is no need to communicate that which is inevitably going to become an idea for another. You see the point here?
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4 minutes ago, cirkussmile said:Depends on the person
Or just explore silence togheter. No more no less
Can that which is not silent explore silence?
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Perhaps start closer to home. Discuss consciousness as it is in the case of self. Start with fear, pleasure, how thought moves in relation to psychological becoming and so on.
Talk with, not at. As if you both do not know. Two self’s exploring the self/thought, consciousness as it can be directly seen now.
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53 minutes ago, Shin said:Imagine you have someone that trust you entirely, and that you know for sure he/she has the potential and the will to go through the path.
In this case trust implies psychological dependence. Dependence, a path, perhaps the greatest hinderance to freedom.
53 minutes ago, Shin said:Also imagine that this person has no conceptual framework for it, that his/her mind is totally blank to spirituality.
Such a person would not be dependent on you, or a path.
An actual blank mind is not dependent on anything within the realm of time(thought).
Hello by the way @Shin??
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14 minutes ago, John Iverson said:Hahahahaha what you believe is your ego attach in to some ideas or concepts that you hold as truth to decieve yourself ????
Can we watch our own divisive attack patterns in which we have rationalized-justified our own mechanical behavior?
Do we see the subtletie of fear seeking security in playing the opposition game?
Are we aware of the fact of seeking psychological security when we criticize another?
And isn’t that another form of illusion?
Are we aware of the many subtle ways we derive pleasure in antagonism, which is another form of violence?
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17 minutes ago, Misagh said:There is no duality between the seer and the seen.
We tend to adopt this as an idea, and our action continues to speak otherwise. The self is very subtle and will play such tricks.
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16 minutes ago, Misagh said:I don't really understand the rest of your writing.
Usually people who are readers of traditional text don’t understand me. Usually people who directly look at themselves understand what I say. But there are exceptions of course.
Do you understand my intent in my original post to you? By the way not directed towards “you” but other me’s
Simply to show how freedom is essential to see WHAT IS, WHAT-IS never comes about without that very necessary freedom.
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Has this been seen..⬇️
14 minutes ago, Misagh said:You = the Self
Therefore you have free will.
While already free, or is this seeing the result of longing for freedom?
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7 minutes ago, Misagh said:You = the Self
Who sees this?
The chooser?
7 minutes ago, Misagh said:It arises by its own out of the Self, that unknowable who is pure potential energy. It comes forth as dynamic creative energy, which is the one and the same as the Self.
The question is...Has “the chooser” conformed to this piece of knowledge?
And is not this piece of knowledge and the chooser really one and the same movement of self/thought(time)?
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Can we see that action in accordance to this will-choice(the chooser), which is ultimately FEAR resisting its own fact, is simply evasion of WHAT-IS?
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7 hours ago, egoless said:You have a free will and complete control over your life
Is will free?
Is “the i” and this will one and the same movement of fear/psychological becoming?
7 hours ago, egoless said:You have a choice
Is choice freedom?
Freedom to choose may seem nice, but can we look deeper?
It’s much more subtle than we tend to see.
7 hours ago, egoless said:God created us as an autonomous beings as love only exists when there is a choice!
Or is it this will-choice(as the chooser), why love is not?
If one goes deep enough down to the subtleties one may find that FEAR underlies this choosing-will.
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45 minutes ago, How to be wise said:Wasn’t there a spiritual teacher who had to speak your egoic language to get you motivated to become enlightened?
No...I saw the futility in evading the fact of fear, as it became quite apparent that doing so nourishes that fear. This illusion that I will become secure in time was seen through. Then it was not feed any longer.
I communed with suffering without escape. That simple. If I would have been the type to seek guidance from an authority I would perhaps still be caught in my own illusion.
Needing motivation, guidance, to me contribute to that very suffering.
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39 minutes ago, How to be wise said:An enlightened person has experienced the truth. Ofcourse you can’t make him believe in the egoic stuff again.
Is TRUTH FIXED?
Is truth some”thing” to be experienced?
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8 minutes ago, who chit said:The bondage of the conditioned mind,is what keeps them longing for freedom.
Indeed..
The action taken in accordance to the notion that there is actually a division between the experiencer and that which it experiences.
Seeking psychological security(seeking to make permanent that which is fundamentally impermanent), brings about psychological insecurity, and nourishes the illusion of i, and therefore perpetuates further enslavement.
Thought sees the necessity of order, yet every action it takes nourishes disorder.
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I’m not referring to sadhhuru specifically. I’m speaking generally
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4 minutes ago, How to be wise said:@Faceless we meet people where they are. Not because it’s not an illusion, but because of love. You love the people, so you speak to them in their terms. But inside, there’s nothing that anyone can do to make you believe in it.
Ok
This compulsion to believe or not to believe...that’s what should be discussed.
in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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@egoless what’s non-duality?
what practices?