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  6. Posted

    @outlandish Kahlil Gibran definition is great too!

    When love beckons to you, follow him,
    Though his ways are hard and steep.
    And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
    Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
    And when he speaks to you believe in him,
    Though his voice may shatter your dreams
    as the north wind lays waste the garden. 

    For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
    Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
    So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth. 

    Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
    He threshes you to make you naked.
    He sifts you to free you from your husks.
    He grinds you to whiteness.
    He kneads you until you are pliant;
    And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast. 

    All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart. 

    But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
    Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
    Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
    Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
    Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
    For love is sufficient unto love. 

    When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
    And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. 

    Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
    But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
    To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
    To know the pain of too much tenderness.
    To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
    And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
    To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
    To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
    To return home at eventide with gratitude;
    And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

  7. Posted

     what is love?

    It depends. There are as many loves as there are people. Love is a hierarchy, from the lowest rung to the highest, from sex to super-consciousness. There are many, many layers, many planes of love. It all depends on you. If you are existing on the lowest rung, you will have a totally different idea of love than the person who is existing on the highest rung. Adolf Hitler will have one idea of love, Gautam Buddha another; and they will be diametrically opposite, because they are at two extremes.

    At the lowest, love is a kind of politics, power politics. Wherever love is contaminated by the idea of domination, it is politics. Whether you call it politics or not is not the question, it is political. And millions of people never know anything about love except this politics – the politics that exists between husbands and wives, boyfriends and girlfriends. It is politics, the whole thing is political: you want to dominate the other, you enjoy domination.

    And love is nothing but politics sugar-coated, a bitter pill sugar-coated. You talk about love but the deep desire is to exploit the other. And I am not saying that you are doing it deliberately or consciously – you are not that conscious yet. You cannot do it deliberately; it is an unconscious mechanism.

    Hence so much possessiveness and so much jealousy become a part, an intrinsic part, of your love. That’s why love creates more misery than joy. Ninety-nine percent of it is bitter; there is only that one percent of sugar that you have coated on top of it. And sooner or later that sugar disappears.

    When you are in the beginning of a love affair, those honeymoon days, you taste something sweet. Soon that sugar wears off, and the realities start appearing in stark nakedness and the whole thing becomes ugly.

    Millions of people have decided not to love human beings any more. It is better to love a dog, a cat, a parrot; it is better to love a car – because you can dominate them well, and the other never tires to dominate you. It is simple; it is not as complex as it is going to be with human beings.

    People are falling in love with horses, dogs, animals, machines, things. Why? Because to be in love with human beings has become an utter hell, a continuous conflict – nagging, always at each other’s throats.

    This is the lowest form of love. Nothing is wrong with it if you can use it as a stepping-stone, if you can use it as a meditation. If you can watch it, if you try to understand it, in that very understanding you will reach another rung, you will start moving upwards.

    Only at the highest peak, when love is not a relationship any more, when love becomes a state of your being, the lotus opens totally and great perfume is released – but only at the highest peak. At the lowest, love is just a political relationship. At the highest, love is a religious state of consciousness.

    I love you too. Buddha loves, Jesus loves, but their love demands nothing in return. Their love is given for the sheer joy of giving it; it is not a bargain. Hence the radiant beauty of it, hence the transcendental beauty of it. It surpasses all the joys that you have known.

    When I talk about love, I am talking about love as a state. It is unaddressed: you don’t love this person or that person, you simply love. You are love. Rather than saying that you love somebody, it will be better to say you are love. So whosoever is capable of partaking, can partake. For whosoever is capable of drinking out of your infinite sources of being, you are available – you are available unconditionally.

    That is possible only if love becomes more and more meditative.

    Medicine and meditation come from the same root. Love as you know it is a kind of disease: it needs the medicine of meditation. If it passes through meditation, it is purified. And the more purified it is, the more ecstatic.

    Osho, Unio Mystica, Vol. 2, Talk #4

     

     

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    @Angelo John Gage I think it's a great idea, so far I've met three people from the forum and they are really amazing people, a friend even came from another country to spend a couple weeks with me and we talked about several things and did psychedelics in the woods, another friend trip sat my 5Meo trips twice (because I don't have many friends who are familiar with the substance or even psychedelics in general), without even mentioning the other ones I only talk to virtually who became very special for me.

    @Shin The idea of the gathering is not to idolize Leo, it's to discuss the topics we usually talk about here in order to open our minds, as I see a lot of people here are interested in the same stuff and have the same values. Also something bothers me in the idea of all of us behind our devices talking like anonymous people, technology is already replacing so many things, nothing will replace the real interaction face to face with another human being, I would never underestimate the potential of like minded people together, the same way Spiral Dynamics evolves like an organism, so it is with people and their surroundings. But maybe I'm just saying all of that because I'm a real loner now, I used to be very extroverted and social when I was surrounded by my blue family and friends, as for now the deeper I go inwards and start getting green or even yellow values the more introverted I become. Leo's community is getting bigger and bigger, soon he will reach 1M followers on YT and although he may not be aware of how things are gonna turn out, it's inevitable that we will meet a lot of people from here and even him in person at some point.

    If I were to follow your train of thought I would consider this online forum a cult too :ph34r: careful with generalizations and misuse of labels.

    @Leo Gura Leo, would you consider doing something in Vegas for this year? I wonder if it would still take much of your time, I understand it can be a distraction from your personal work but also it would be sooo inspiring for all of us to see you in the real world and be surrounded by other people who think alike.

  10. Posted

    https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-66-costuros-liu-koo/

    I've been listening to this Podcast and in this last one they mention spiral dynamics and how psychedelics are influencing the business world, their website is also very interesting, with guides about all psychedelic drugs and how to microdose.

    https://thethirdwave.co/

    The 1st Wave was indigenous use of psychedelics for thousands of years.

    The 2nd Wave was the use of psychedelics during the counter-culture of the 60s and 70s.

    The 3rd Wave is upon us now. Brought about by recent developments in cannabis legalization and psychedelic research – and it will change the way mainstream culture perceives psychedelic use.

    To find out more about The Third Wave, read our manifesto. It details everything you need to know about responsible psychedelic use in the 21st century.

     

  11. Posted

    I can totally relate to all you said, someone here recommended the book Period Repair Manual, and it's amazing, so many facts about women's health are left aside and the doctors just recommend us birth control pills, that instead of going to the root of the problems just puts it in standby mode and we are dependent on those drugs our whole life, I like that the author is a naturopath and has been working with women for over 20 years, she really puts together everything we need to know about our period and ovulation, many natural tools that can help us and also a lot of content to understand the role of hormones in our body.

    I think when we are pmsing we are more connected with the feminine energy, the darkness and it's a time to go inwards and be with ourselves but nowadays with all the hustling it's very unrealistic plus at least for me those feelings are running the show for two weeks every month and I'm not being able to handle it.

    Hope the books brings you some clarity

    https://www.amazon.com/Period-Repair-Manual-Treatment-Hormones/dp/1975926773/ref=asc_df_1975926773/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312371602209&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17416473083078774394&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030939&hvtargid=pla-417335658698&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61011965686&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312371602209&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17416473083078774394&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030939&hvtargid=pla-417335658698

  12. Posted

    Are you a certified Life Coach? Cause life coaching is totally different than therapy, coaching is about helping someone achieve their dreams, someone who already has their life together, is taking someone from a normal to a higher stage, while therapy is taking someone dysfunctional to a normal stage, coaching is not about solving deep issues like depression and anxiety, you would have to recommend her to a therapist. 

    Also coaching is all about empowering the client with questions, never giving them advice, when you tell someone what to do you are taking the power away from them, and you don't want to make someone feel powerless, the answers are all within them, only they know what's best for them, you may think you know but the truth is you don't. 

    It's important to be empathetic in a coaching session and it's totally fine if the client cries but it's very important that you maintain your composure, otherwise it will be two people crying and no one will be able to see the big picture, think rationally and take actions, so holding yourself up and maintaining peace and calmness, opening that space so the client can feel whatever they need to feel is very important, silence would be highly recommended in those moments, unless you are asking questions, validating the clients feelings, is better to just be silent. Psychotherapy is based on this, you see specially Freud, Lacan and Reich lineages they barely talk, it's all about poking the wounds and opening up the space to go through those traumas and feelings, because people are afraid of letting the emotions come out, and once the wounds are open they are able to go through that using different techniques, a Coach is not prepared for this kind of situation. 

  13. Posted

    Like @TheAvatarState said they can unlock schizophrenia only if you have a predisposition for it, they don't "cause" it or increase the risk of mental illness, the thing with psychedelics is that the more grounded you are the easier it's to use them, so the more work you do on yourself, meditation, contemplation etc the safer you are gonna feel to explore your mind, cause they really shake the foundations of our ordinary reality. 

    Not sure if you watched Bird box xD but in the movie there is a woman and she is blindfolded, she needs to go somewhere and have no idea what's in front of her, in order to don't get lost she holds a piece of cord (that is attached to the boat) so she can go and come back to the same place she was, she uses the cord as a safety tool and it's just like that with psychedelics, if you don't know you true self, the foundation of who you truly are, there is nothing to come back to once you get lost in psychosis, mushrooms for example are really good at it, the more trapped you are in your ego, false self and false beliefs the easier it's to have a bad trip and get lost.  

    I would start slowly, and keep in mind that schizophrenia is not considered a mental illness for many people, I have a cousin with schizophrenia and I try to see them as people who are more connected to truth, and like many say enlightenment is really insanity. 

  18. Posted · Edited by MsNobody

    @Arthur loved what you said! 

    Leo is at a point of his life where he is focusing most of his time on enlightenment work, while most of us (including me of course) are still working on the basic needs, we are going up Abraham Maslow pyramid, we are far from being able to dedicate our time to deep stuff like “what is god”, it’s basically the orange green transition, we can’t be too woo woo about the world and go explore our minds if we don’t have a strong foundation, financial stability for example which is orange, and emotional stability like getting rid of old beliefs or traumas which a therapist, psychedelics or books would do the work, in practice is challenging because all the content is very interesting, spirituality, nonduality, psychedelics etc, but we can’t thrive unless we have embodied blue and orange stages, I think this is the biggest trap I fell into since I started watching Leo two years ago, I can’t say it was a mistake because everything is perfect the way it’s but I sometimes compare myself a lot with ppl here because of the amount of work they are putting into spirituality, maybe I shouldn’t generalize because that’s where I find myself now, like 55% orange and 25% green and 15% yellow and a little turquoise somewhere xD (of course my ego wants to think it’s mostly green and yellow but I need to be honest with myself)

    The forum is amazing, there are many people who have embodied orange and even green, many yellow thinkers some even turquoise, and it’s great to have those big fishes around so we can get inspired, grow and have a broader perspective of where to go in our lives, Leo’s content is like every other tool and the key is knowing how to use.