How to be wise

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  4. Posted

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    That's some awful logic.

    If you allow Stage Red, they will conquer you like Hitler or the Mongol hoards. The only thing stopping them is their own incompetence and disorganization. By giving them a state you enable them to organize. This is why ISIS was not allowed to have a state. Terrorists will keep organizing if you don't stop them.

    Hamas had a state, and for 17 years there was relative peace. As for the October 7 attack, the principal motivation was probably the occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Remember that Hamas was opposed to isis, and they fought isis sympathisers in the Gaza Strip.

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    17 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    man... Just look at Gaza right now... Aren't you supposed to care for these people?

    Just imagine having a leadership that dehumanizes the shit out of you. 500km of tunnels, not a single civilian shelter! It does a horrific attack and then goes back to hide under your family's house. It absolutely doesn't give a fuck whether you live or die or how many of its own will get buried under the rubble. But Hey, we killed Jews, so totally worth it!

    This is not the path of resistance, it's the path of being as dumb as a brick wall.  

    The path of peace is the only path (especially for Palestinians if they want to be viewed as normal humans, first and foremost by their own government.)
     

    Hamas is enjoying widespread support among Palestinians, both in Gaza and the West Bank. When Israel withdraws from Gaza, they will simply re-elect Hamas. And if any elections ever take place in the West Bank, Hamas will rule it also. This war has guaranteed Israel will never be safe, since the Palestinians now want Hamas more than ever. 

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    4 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    So lucky we have not withdrawal from the west bank because then oct 7th would be considered a tiny event.

    No my friend. October 7th happened because Palestinians didn’t have a state. You were occupying their land. 
     

     

    4 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    Obviously, Israel will not Just "withdraw" without solid security guarantees and an agreement in the form of a signed treaty. 
     

    Oke no peace then. Go ahead and kill, rape and mutilate. How is that working out? 

    How is it working out for israel?

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    7 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    Israel is supposed to do nothing. Peace is achieved by the two talking and signing concrete treaties, not by unilateral steps. Israel left Gaza unilaterally and instead of peace, they got Hamas and that's when it all started with the rockets and blockade.

    It was good that you left Gaza, but you didn’t leave the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Remember that the Palestinians are one people, so the people of Gaza also care about what happens in the West Bank. Don’t act like the two regions have nothing to do with each other.

    If you want peace more than land, withdraw from the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It’s really simple. No peace on stolen land.

  10. Posted

    7 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    After the six-day war, there was an opportunity for talks. Israel was eager to give land for peace and there were zero settlements back then. 

    For the Arabs, this whole conflict is like a stock investment that keeps on going down but they never divest from it to save their remaining amount. Some very profound opportunities for peace were rejected or ignored and with each such miss, the stock value gets even lower. 

     

    You’re supposed to give stolen things back, regardless of whether your victim wants peace. You are allowed to defend your land, but you are not allowed to steal the land of others and then demand peace. Israel will remain in conflict until it gives the stolen land back.

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    13 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    After Israel conquered the West Bank and Gaza in the 6 day war, they were extremely open to negotiating some settlement in exchange for peace and recognition. Back then Israel was still very tiny population-wise and overwhelmingly secular. The most important thing was to just to feel safe but of course they were in exchange confronted with the three no's of Khartoum: 

    ،لا صلح مع إسرائيل
    ،لا تفاوض مع إسرائيل
    لا اعتراف بإسرائيل

    No peace with Israel,
    No negotiation with Israel,
    No recognition of Israel

     

    Israel was not supposed to wait until the Palestinians love them. As soon as both sides agree to end the war, which they did, Israel was meant to withdraw completely from their land. Instead they established Jerusalem as their capital, and have remained ever since. As for the meeting in Khartoum, I totally agree with them. No peace on stolen land. 

  12. Posted

    1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

    From each territory Israel withdraws it gets attacked from with rockets and terrorism, the latest attack has proven this. Israel can only withdraw from the West Bank if the Palestinians have a strong moderate leader that can keep proper law and order. Otherwise, Israel has to constantly get involved to break up the terror organizing. 

    So why are you building settlements in occupied land? Occupation after war is meant to be temporary, until you negotiate a settlement and then leave. Yet Israel hasn’t left for 80 years.