Joel3102

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  1. 4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    That's empty words. Israel wants land more than they want peace.

    If that’s true then why’d they give the Sinai back to Egypt in 1979 in exchange for a peace deal? 
    Regarding the Westbank while there are elements that definitely want the land, they didn’t come into possession of that land until Jordan attacked them in 1967 so they took it from them (Israel warned Jordan not to join the war and we won’t attack them).


  2. 1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    What lead to Oct 7th was the decades-long Israeli policy of settlement and indefinite stalling of any kind of long-term peace deal that recognizes the rights and soveriegnty of Palestinians.

     

    The current government hasn’t been particularly interested in peace. But also, a two state solution was offered in 2000 and rejected by the Palestinians with no counteroffer and Israel got the second intifada instead. 
     

    Then they withdraw from Gaza in 2005 and get nothing but rockets from an Islamist group. Of course that’s gonna shift Israel to the right.


  3. 13 minutes ago, Raze said:

    The Israel government is a larger obstacle to peace if we are being honest. Netanyahu openly brags about stopping a two state solution. Prior to Oct 7 Hamas tried to push for political solutions and changed their charter to no longer call for ending Israel. Israel refused to respond to peaceful protests or attempts at political solution because they want to force Gazans to have no option but violence to justify a violent response.

    Hamas want to end Israel. What makes you think they’d stop fighting if they were given a state? You’re putting too much stock in a couple of public statements.

    Although I agree Likud doesn’t want a two state solution either and they never have. No one is blameless here.


  4. 2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Netanyahu's plan was to have Palesitine as an autonomous region but without a military, because he thinks it would be used to attack Israel. Frankly, this is a valid concern.

    What is meant by "give Palestine a state" is simply, give them a military with control over air space. Netanyahu refuses to give them air space control because then they might bomb Israel with planes or invade with tanks.

    This does not make Natenyahu some monster. He has a right to worry about what radicals in Palestine might do with a proper military.

    Israeli occupation not allowing a Palestinian state with a military etc helps fuel terrorism. However now can they be trusted with the rights of a full state? Becomes a vicious catch 22 that I don’t know how gets solved 


  5. 24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Unless they are planning terror attacks, nothing.

    Unfortunately I think Israel is gonna create such a bloodbath in Gaza that we will have terrorist attacks in the US for a decade to come. An overreaction from Israel can easily create a new Osama Bin Laden character who will want to punish the US for supporting Israel's bloodbath.

    This is gonna be such a mess for a decade to come.

    We finally got out of the war on terror era, and now right back there we are 


  6. 11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    1) I don't really know if we have a crisis. People took out loans that they ought to repay. Calling this a "crisis" is not quite right. By your logic, why stop at student loans? Why not forgive all loans of all kinds?

    2) Congress can pass a law that wipes away all student loans. That's how democracy is supposed to work.

    To add to that, college graduates have significantly higher life earnings than non college people