Elisabeth

Member
 View profile  See their activity

  • Content count

    1,176

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by Elisabeth

  1. Posted · Edited by Elisabeth

    32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    It's about obeying norms and more about rehabilitating oneself into a healthy member of society, and righting one's wrongs.

    It is possible to rehab oneself. But this requires a serious desire to do so by the murderer.

    Sorry about my sarcasm. I'm being emotional because I just recently got an ultimatum, and it made me not want to have anything in common with the people issuing the ultimatum. 

    I don't doubt it's possible to rehabilitate a murderer. Easier for some, harder for others, depending on many factors. My point #1 is, it can't be proven. It's completely up to society to believe a murderer's personality change, or not. How is it ethical or helpful to their development to have them live in fear of a lethal injection for X years, completely at the mercy of the judge deciding if their life has become "useful" and "loving" enough? 

    If you wanna give them a chance, have them complete a punishment, give them the resources to rehab themselves, and trust they can do it. You're putting society in some danger, but so are you if you give them the ultimatum. You can still kill them if they do more crime, but don't make it a Damocles' sword ready to fall at an artificial 10year mark, just make it a new trial for that new transgression. 

  2. Posted

    19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    I would issue an ultimatum like: you got 10 years to repent and get your shit together and rehabilitate yourself into a useful and loving member of society. Here are the resources you need to do that. And if you don't, you're getting lethal injection. It's up to you.

    Yeah, because It makes sense to love and obey the norms of a society that threatens you death unless you prove something that cannot be proven :/

     

  4. Posted · Edited by Elisabeth

    On 19/09/2021 at 9:36 PM, Javfly33 said:

    @Elisabeth I am defintely surrendering to them to feel them as accepting them as full as posible.

    However, its also true that some bdsm inclinations go Hand in Hand with self-hate and harmful beliefs.

    For example as a man inclined to femdom and last year to findom, I've find that when i have unveiled false harmful beliefs about women and myself (like a weekend socializing for example and discovering Im not "Broken" or "wrong" or "bad") i felt more inclined to being turn on by normal sex. Yet in moments of isolation, social anxiety, beliefs about myself+women ...etc have been always a trigger for seeking femdom, findom, etc and all kind of sense of "being abused" and feeling "hated" by the opposite sex and enjoy It. I'm not saying the fetish are bad, i think they are there to BE FELT, yet one cant avoid to think that if the triggers are mental health problems and harmful beliefs, they are a representation of the low state of Consciousness of the person.

    I Guess that better than saying that bdsm IS bad, is better to say that bdsm inclinations are INDICATORS of trauma, self harmful beliefs, mental health problems, ego...etc.

    In the same sense that a stomach Pain IS not really bad, is just an indicator you have been poisoned. The Pain have a purpose, i Guess in the same way bdsm does ?

    I hear your experience and refuse to generalize it. 

    My bdsm preference isn't a symptom of self-hate and harmful beliefs. I am NOT inclined to do bdsm when I hate myself. 

    There might be some early-on attachment trauma going on, I seem to have that, but I didn't make any direct link to my kinks yet. 

    I refuse to look at something that has given me genuine happiness as an indicator of "being broken". IF ever my bdsm preferences disappear completely as a result of shadow work, then I'll be able to say they stemmed from trauma. Until then, it's better to treat them as human variation. 

    Some people like sports, although it gives them physical pain, or exactly because it causes the body to cope with that stress through endorphines. Some people meditate through incredible suffering. Neither is considered a result of trauma, it's considered healthy. 

    Why is someone who enjoys working through suffering and reaching an endorphin high through spanking or rope, while also enjoying intimacy with their partner, seen as more traumatized than the average population? Think about it. It makes no sense. 

    So I'd say bdsm prefereces and submission fantasies certainly CAN indicate trauma, but they don't necessarily need to. Enjoy your exploration! 

  5. Posted

    On 16/09/2021 at 11:43 AM, Javfly33 said:

    Lets remember than bdsm and fetishes are darkness and ego shadows, and tantra IS the supposedly the higuest kind of sex (purest/healthiest) energy a human can develop. Apparently are two opposites sides of the Coin according to the current literature.

    What literature. How ignorant. 

    From my tantric education (admittedly limited, though I've had a year of weekly training), tantra values saying yes to experience, including consciously living through desires. 

    From my (much broader) bdsm experience, if you're into it, bdsm touches the very core of your being, your sexual energy and your will to live through challenges. 

    There's no contradiction.

    Do bdsm desires fall away as you walk the spiritual or the tantric path? Personally, I think that besides psychological conditioning, there's a deep bodily-spiritual component that's hard-wired into the layer where personal identity meats biology, so as long as you're in a body and have a personality to come back to, some bdsm preference may stay. So you may as well be ok with having them and include them in your spiritual living as a part of your body's wishes instead of labeling them dark and trying to transcend them as fast as possible. 

  6. Posted

    On 13. 8. 2021 at 8:20 PM, Late Boomer said:

    Thanks for all the nice comments. I would have responded quicker, but my blood pressure has been kicking my ass. Speaking of which, does anyone who has experience with psychedelics have issues with high blood pressure.

    I've had it since I was in my 20s, but it's been managed. Since my last trip, I've had to change meds three times and gone to the ER twice. I really have to stay away from the hospital right now for obvious reasons. 

    I read that mushrooms would give you a rise in blood pressure during a trip, but nothing about any long term change. My current theory is that it has to do with weed. I was smoking and eating edibles for 10 years. Started late in life (except for one bad experience with edibles in college). After decades of Just Say No, I fell in love with weed. I loved what it did for my imagination and it was a great marital aid. But I went way too hard with it during the quarantine and the stress associated with my job's descent into right wing madness.

    After a few mushroom trips I found my appetite for it mostly went away. Now I don't like it any more. Two hits and my heart is racing, even high indica stuff. My latest blood pressure problem started after I took an edible a couple of weeks after the 3.5g trip. 

    I've also noticed that thinking and writing seems to raise my blood pressure a lot. I wonder if the shrooms rewired my brain so that I can't handle weed and so that my thinking brain sets off my blood pressure too much. I love to write and read and think about interesting things, so this is a big problem for me right now. It's like a log jam. 

    I have seen a lot of psychonaut types on reddit say they had panic attacks and bad trips trying to mix shrooms and weed so maybe I messed myself up? I think I can help myself a lot if I can get a regular meditation practice going (I've had a few good streaks but I keep falling off the wagon) and get some decent exercise, but both of those are where the sciatica comes in. Sitting for too long hurts and the sciatica is so bad I can't walk for long distances. I have a couple of doctor appointments next week to deal with BP and sciatica, so hopefully I can get some forward motion in my life.

    Sorry about your bloodpressure trouble.

    Obviously, consider all medical treatment offered.

    Also, psychedelics make you more emotionally sensitive, and bring up unconscious stuff. So I wonder.   Could it be an emotion that is accessed more easily after your last trip and makes your heart agitated? 

  17. Posted · Edited by Elisabeth

    I certainly went too far, too fast over here

    I thought I could actually learn the technique properly at the retreat, but there was little tuition except on the "proper postures" used by this particular group. I forced myself to do long hours of meditation in a way that didn't suit me. Was in conflict with myself. Got an actual emotionally triggered asthma attack. Left after two days. Took me two years until the memory lost a "trauma" flavor to it.

    I've got a mostly regular meditation practice now, even a bit of self-inquiry has started to be interesting to me, but I don't go hardcore. 

     

  22. Posted · Edited by Elisabeth

    4 hours ago, Vittorio said:

    I totally agree with you about relatability. Personally, I think Leo should move away a bit from giving unbiased and clear and distinct insights just to show more about him as a person and generally become more relatable as a human being, because otherwise you can create so much distance between yourself and others that you could be perceived as "elitist" and therefore a cult leader.

    I understand that he wants to give you the rawest insights you can get, and that's why he has a nakedly edgy attitude when he tells you facts and gives you insights.

    But I feel he misses the opportunity to show himself as a human being and thus become more likeable and relatable.

    E. G. I really enjoyed his video when he did a solo retreat at the cabin. Or the old videos with him and his legendary soup. I would really like to see more of that and think it would help him in the long run.

    Thanks. Actually, it wasn't my point to suggest Leo should share more of himself on youtube, that could backfire, and it's his right to share as much as he feels up to. My point was, I hope Leo does have both close personal relationships (for the joy they bring - I'm coming from a place of care) and constructive critique/collaboration on the political topics he speaks about (for the quality of his content). 
    But I also enjoy relatable personal stories. Like the intro to the old  "Ultimate model of human knowledge" video. It's a good video, one that I recommend a lot if I want to introduce someone to Leo's work. 

  23. Posted · Edited by Elisabeth

    This is super interesting and captivating, lots of valuable comments in this thread. 

    I'm deeply sorry for the family of the deceased! Also, sending Leo some basic human compassion - he seems to be handling the fallout and evaluating responsibility just fine, but I imagine it must be emotionally difficult too.

    I'm one of the people coming into spirituality from a place of depression (though not suicidal level) and anxiety, my core interests in personal development have been emotions, relationships, trauma healing. I'm greatful to Leo for introducing me to some philosophy and spirituality too :). My progress is slow, I've been following since forever (2016), and awakening is still over my head. 

    It would never occur to me to take Leo's teachings as promoting suicide. For me, they are fascinating! But I understand that spiritual concepts and experience can lead to confusion in some people. I've never personally experienced much of it just from listening - ideas on their own aren't very threatening to me. Experience is a different thing and can be deeply unsettling. In terms of dealing with the dangers of spiritual teachings, I'm happy and grateful to have people around me who have been part of i.e. the holotropic breathwork community. They are my guide as much as Leo is, and they help me balance some of Leo's bias.  

    As for grievances, I've expressed my opinion on several topics in the past - the old relationship videos, the pick-up line of the forum, the repeated bashing of science and religion (which I'm sick and tired off) and other unnecessary repetition, the political commentary. Some videos on Leo's side-interests or newly developing interests just don't have the quality of his core spiritual and philosophical content. (On the other hand, from my area of expertise, I very much appreciate the quantum mechanics series! :)) I've also recently expressed concern whether Leo has enough feedback from (or rather, shared investigation with) high-quality intellectuals in the social/politics domain, and I've been called insane :/ 

    Leo, this may be a false impression, but it often seems from your videos like you don't talk about your insights and your journey to anyone at all. I'm just always so happy to hear you mention being at a retreat and talking to the teacher, or similar. We may be all imaginary or all one (I don't know what I'm talking about here), but in the relative domain, people need to relate to people as close to their level as possible. I don't think the forum is enough feedback for you. 

    If there was some distinction between content for newbies and content for long-time viewers in the future, I would appreciate it.

    Lastly, I'm organizing a students' personal development group at my faculty. I've struggled with my conscience on whether I can recommend actualized.org as a source of advice. So far I decided I can't. I'm not actually sure it would have a net positive effect on the students' lives if they started to dive into spirituality and psychedelics. It's a hard decision though, between authenticity and caution (coupled with fear). 

  24. Posted · Edited by Elisabeth

    @Leo Gura Well do you have ANY people to discuss your ideas with before you make them public? 

    JP may not be a good one. Yet everyone needs a quality discussion now and then.

    And, since you're going political now, you can't avoid strawmen unless you actually check in with the other person.

    Anyway, I liked the integrity video a lot. The gender video is not a bad attempt at going popular either. Haven't finished watching the JP video yet.