Karmadhi

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  1. 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    hamas goal is to destroy civilians lives....

    Hamas goal is to destroy the state of Israel.

    Just because they killed civilians does not mean their goal is anything else.

    Also unfortunately in Israel every adult has to serve in the military which gives Hamas the idea that everyone 18+ has been in the IDF and has tortured/killed/oppressed Palestinians at some point.

    They see them probably like retired Nazis.

    I am not saying they are right just explaining their mindset.

    At this point I also heavily despise Hamas for the situation.

    Their stubborness is causing much suffering to the Palestinians.

    Also their goal to destroy the state of Israel is totally not realistic and foolish.

    If I could I would have them gone just like I would have the government of North Korea gone.

    But destroying the whole of Gaza is a price too high and totally unacceptable.

    Also I feel like most of it is just plain cruelty and not militarily effective.

    To top if off with creating a massive famine.

    If Israel was serious about this they would send people in the tunnels, that is how you realistically get them.

    Destroying everything on the ground hurts civilians mostly.


  2. 6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    You have to kill 40,000+ hamas terrorists in this war. How technological-intelligence accuracy abillities will help so much in that?

    So it also justifies Hamas killing civilians in their goal to destroy Isarel military?

    Keep in mind 1/3 of October 7th deaths were legitimate IDF staff, not just civilians.

    Also many civilians were killed in the cross fire.

    There were tons of specific striking of civilians by Hamas, but at this point IDF has been doing the same so I dont think they are much better anymore.

    Many videos of them doing so.

    Shooting at people in line to get aid too.

    They killed like 120 civilians trying to get aid, that act alone is on par with the Hamas concert attack in terms of scale and cruelty.

     


  3. 5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    In 2024 there are also super sophisticated gerilla organization what wasn't in 1944.

    And you have precise weapons and guided missles drones etc which you did not have in 1944.

    Ask yourself: How did Israel manage to strike precisely a Hamas guy in Beirut, with minimal civilians casualties.

    During World war 2 an entire block would have had to be destroyed to take out that guy.

    So it is not just the guerlla stuff that has advanced but also striking precision technology.

    I saw footage of Isarel taking out a single floor in a building and keeping the rest intact.

    So spare me the excuses please.

    Most of the bombs used in Gaza are reported to be unguided.

    They admitted themselves "We are aiming for maximum destruction, not accuracy".

    I trust their words there because you can see it yourself.

    Most of Gaza is in ruins now.


  4. Just now, Nivsch said:

    Your reasoning is wrong because murder doesnt equal collateral damage.

    By your logic, Great Britian did a Genocide to Nazi Germany in ww2.

    What Britain did is a war crime by 2024 standards.

    The issue is that you like to use different timelines to justify atrocities.

    What UK did to Germany during WW2 would be considered an unacceptable war crimes, especially the bombing of Dresden and to some extent Hamburg.

    But in 2014, we use different standards and the same tactics are totally unacceptable and horrible.

    Just some food for thought: What Hamas did in Israel on October 7th used to be textbook military practice for most of human history. When armies invaded villages and towns that is exactly what they did, what Hamas did. 

    However in 2024, we call that horrible acts and terrorism because with our current moral framework such actions are not acceptable.

    Also what UK did to Germany at the time was textbook military practice (Germany did the same to the UK prior) but today it is not acceptable.

    So when I hear people like Naftali Bennet justify Israel current indiscriminate bombings by saying "UK did it also", well UK also did what Hamas did at some point in the past. Lets justify that too now.

    See the issue with that reasoning?


  5. 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    Terror attack its a scale. Israel already went through hundreds of terror attacks and responded reasonably.

    So did the Palestinians. The number of Palestinians dead is 10-20x more than Israelis through the decades.

    In 2014 alone they killed like 1500 civilians and they lost like 6 civilians themselves.

    That act alone is enough to want them to commit October 7th.

    And that is just 1 out of many times Isarel did such things.

    2014 Gaza War - Wikipedia

     


  6. @Nivsch

    3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    This is exactly matches the math.

    If you consider women and childreen as Hamas then yes it does.

    I do not.

    25.000 women and childreen with your ratio would assume the total death toll to be close to 50.000 and it is currently around 33.000.

    So your math is off.

    Out of the 33.000 around 25.000 are women and childreen which leaves 8000 men.

    From these not everyone is a fighter, civilian men can also die in air strikes.

     


  7. 37 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    The killed ratio is 1:1 or 1:1.5 betweem hamas that hides behind civilians and civilians. The brainwashing idustry of the other side is cartoonishly toxic and you just swallow it.

    US Defense Minister said 25.000 of those killed in Gaza are women and childreen.

    Your math does not add up.

    1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

     The truth is that your western country would react quite the same if undergo such trauma came after 20 previous polite trials before that to address its attackers source.

    I did not see UK destroy Ireland even though they did plenty terrorist attacks there.


  8. 12 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    I live in Europe and sometimes when I tell my Russian Jewish name, for example to my doctor I would get randomly extolled and they would tell me how much they admire Israel and my people. I always felt a bit awkward about that but now I appreciate that kind of people, they are important and not rare. If the hate gets really out of hand we have Israel now so the issue is not to take priority over other more pressing ones.

    How about not mixing them into 1 thing?

    I do not think most people have issues with Jews but they do with Israel.

    Especially liberals.

    There are tons of Jews protesting about Israel atrocities in Gaza at the moment and they have my eternal respect.

    Ironically it is Israeli actions that are making Jews outside Israel feel so unsafe.

    Hating Jews outside Israel for what Israel does is indeed anti semetic and not acceptable in my opinion.


  9. If genetics are so important, how come girls care so little about a guy having a good frame, musular and lean athletic type of body.

    Not a mass monster but like fit looking.

    How come height matters 10x more?

    So a skinny tall guy will do as well if not better than a shorter muscular fit guy.

    In prehistoric times, gyms did not exist so you could not really change being skinny.

    A tall skinny guy is not more useful for survival than a fit strong short guy no?

    Am I missing something?


  10. 57 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    Enough Israelis will agree with you here, though not much the current government

    Can you explain to me then how did those people get elected in the first place? Israel is a democracy you say hence whoever is in power represents what the majority thinks/feels. If the people in power represent a minority then how did they get elected? Why was not a more moderate liberal people elected?

    1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

    If you do that and lose, obviously there will be negative consequences.

    I did not see Italy, Germany or Japan loose 70% of their territory even after causing a world war. Most of their territories are still intact.

    1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

    t is true and the reasons for hatred are real, even if those generations begin in 1920, but it is also true that the Arabs began the terrorist attacks in 1918, declared war in 1948 and then two other wars, all with international help, with the purpose of erasing Israel from the map.

    There was no Israel until 1947. The sentiment began when Jews started being dumped there from the British empire. People do not like when random people start being dumped into your land without your consent. 

    To give you an example we have far right parties getting popularity and even elected in some Western countries because people do not like the migrant influx in their countries. And this is done by their governments. Meanwhile in Palestine it was done without asking anyone, of course people will be pissed. Imagine USA dumping 1 million random people into France and not asking France any permission. France would be enraged.

    Does not help that most of the people living there were uneducated and not very developed which can result in  them responding with violence.


  11. 2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    The thing is not exactly like that. Palestine was an unpopulated desert and people were arriving. At one point one party founded a state and another declared war on them. and since then war has been the norm. It is not a war for territory but between religious fanatics

    Most people that were kicked out had lived there for generations. I do not think you can realistically disprove that or argue against it.

    I am not saying what is right, I am saying why Palestinians are so stubborn to accept White Europeans in their doorstep.


  12. @Danioover9000

    37 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Biggest issue for any peace making attempt, is how does a group or society deal with the mass trauma dump being dealt to Palestinians by the Israelis ruling Zionists in that area? Without addressing that collective trauma in a deep and meaningful way, there'll always be a defensive and hateful attitude by Palestinians towards some Israelis and especially racist xenophobic Zionists.

    A big issue is the Zionism ideology which runs the whole show.

    Personally I find it extremely toxic ideology and I think the world would be better without it.

    Jews do not need Zionism to be safe, it just makes them look bad and makes them prone to being attacked.

    I am shocked to see people in this group supporting it, especially these days where Zionism fuels downright facist and racist behavior from Israeli government. 

     


  13. @Breakingthewall Saying "both sides need to learn to co live with each other" is the ultimate peace creating solution, however it is MUCH easier to say this to Israelis than Palestinians.

    Israelis are the ones that came in massive numbers after WW2 and basically colonized a land where others lived.

    If I take 2/3 of your house it is easier for the new guy to be ok with co living than the one whose house was taken.

    Hence Palestinians are much more stubborn due to them feeling deeply like they were stolen and kicked out.

    And I am not talking about political stuff like "soviergn country", that is irrelevant when it comes to how people feel.

    If I live here for 500 years and am Arab in land surrounded by Arabs then White Europeans from Poland come and want to take the place i lived for generations I will feel like they are thieves and I will not accept it.

    So politics become useless.


  14. 1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

    The UN radical bias towards Israel originates from the special coalition of muslim and communist countries formed to counteract US power (to which they oppose fundamentaly), and now this powerful coalition doing the same thing against who they grasp as US biggest ally. A more detailed explanation inside.

    Funny how you tell us "Al Jazera is biased etc because they are arabs, stop sending it" then you send us a source from Israel.

     


  15. 14 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    The relationships between US and Israel are rooted in much deeper reasons mainly shared values and principals and after them interests.

    What values? Israel does not respect human rights, US does. The shit they do in West Bank goes against all human right laws. USA does not do that.

    The only thing they have in common is free elections and being rich.

    If they were a true developed democracy they would not put 12 year old kids in military court trials and detain them for years over silly things like throwing stones.

    Rest is purely interest.

    Jews having so much influence on the US being a big reason.

    AIPAC too.

     


  16. 8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

    know that it's not the same case, it's quite obvious, you don't need to describe the differences. What I meant is that when war starts, there is no consideration for damages. Israel coexists with a people who wish for its disappearance. There comes a time when the glass overflows, and it has arrived. If it were not for international public opinion, all Palestinians would be expelled in an extremely violent way. They have promoted a culture of hate, the basis of their thinking is: hatred of the Jew. This is how they educate their children and this is how they think. I'm not saying that they don't have reasons, there are always reasons, real or imaginary, but if your philosophy of life is hatred, you will receive double hatred. I just exposed a fact, not an opinion about who is right 

    Well Israel hates them too so it is a toxic duo where none accepts the other.

    The difference is that Israel has the education level, the means and support to make Palestinians accept them far more.

    Ending the illegal occupation and treating them well would be a good start. 
    Unless they are treated well then they will always hate Israel. So why not start there?

    By respecting international laws


  17. 23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

    In short, if you start a war, then don't complain when you have a war, you can surrender if you want

    1. Germany and Japan had legit governments. Hamas is not a legitimate government. Most people were not even born when it was elected in 2005. Hence most cannot choose what Hamas does.

    2. Germany and Japan launched wars based on desires of expansion. They wanted to conquer others because they thought themselves as superior. In Gaza you have mostly refugees fighting for land that used to be theirs for centuries but were violently kicked out by massacres and ethnic cleansing.

    Neither were Germans or Japanese subject to a fascist occupation for decades which violated every human right that exists. 

    3. Germany killed close to 25 million civilians and Japan close to 20 million. Hamas has barely killed 1000 civilians. During WW2 there were 20 times more Allied civilians deaths than Axis. Here its the opposite.

    4. We have evolved since WW2 standards. Thats what the Geneva convention is for. We are past that brutal collective punishment type of warfare. At least first world democracies.

    Bonus: Even though Germans killed closed to 18 million Soviets, when the Soviets took control of Berlin they immediately tried to secure food for the German civilians stuck there to avoid a famine. Israel meanwhile is using famine as a tool of war. And Soviets were not known for being the most kind army. So basically Soviets tried to avoid a famine in Berlin after loosing 18 million civilians by Germans. Here Israel wants a famine in Gaza after loosing 800 civilians. Shows how inhumane they are even compared to a revenge thirsty WW2 USSR
    So please before saying such nonsense comparisons do some research otherwise you look very ignorent


  18. 8 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    They were countless trials of Israel to make a two states deal and it has failed, along with couple of signed agreements in the 90s but the Palestinians chose terror. What has changed in the map is the settlements in which 80-90% of the Israelis are not interested at all.

    Because to them Israel is a fake colonizer country that should never have existed. That is the sad truth of how they see it.

    From what I saw they treated Jews quite well before WW2 so I am still unsure why a Jewish state was needed in the first place. Was there hardcore Nazi type of discrimination against Jews?

     I lack education here so I am open to corrections as long as its not Zionist sources.

    This deep hatred was created by Israel being created as a state, I did not find much sources of Jew hate before 1947 and 1920s to be more exact.


  19. 2 minutes ago, ExplorerMystic said:

    What is going on in Palestine is systematic genocide . The west has denied it earlier but water is spilling over now & they have to accept it. It seems the regime already got success in what they wanted "The Land".

    Arab countries are silent and just protesting which every of their politician know they have to do it because of anger within the public of these countries. . "UN" as always of no use. A pure example which history will remember how millions of people are cramped within an area with no food , water & continuous bombing. This was allowed with some country fully supporting it which actually proclaimed to be democracy, & believe in humans rights.

    The only way out of is to people to wake up & keep these politician , Autocrats , Ruler , Corporates in check with continuous questioning (Voting , Social media , protest etc). 

    This person can only feel compassion toward the life lost, countless struggling for food & their survival.

    And to think this is justified in the eyes of many, because 700 or something people were killed by some terrorists. Insane how stupid humans can be.


  20. 2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    When you understand the big context in a more balanced way, then you will automatically see that IDF acts in the West Bank are almost completely out of a deffensive strategy (not without problems! but deffensive).

    You can frame everything as a "defense strategy". Russian invasion of Ukraine is also a defensive strategy to protect itself against NATO, its historical enemy. Yet we can agree that the invasion is wrong and not the way you go around protecting yourself. Same logic here.

    2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    I feel the survival in my body even though I live deep in an Israeli zone, far from the conflict zone.

    From outside is so easy to fall into the illusion of the big Israel vs the "small" palestinians. The truth is different and much more complicated.

    They are 2 million Palestinians sitting in an area which is greater than central Israel.

    I can understand on an invidiual level your life can be threatened but as a collective, Hamas or whoever in Palestine cannot threaten to wipe out Israel from the map. The balance of power is too big. It would be like USA fearing Puerto Rico or something. Terror attacks are not existencial threats. Existential threat is all Israeli cities razed to the ground and a death toll of 1 plus million. Do you think Hamas can do this? I am sure they want to. But do they have the actual capability?