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Quotewhen you use the Socionics website as evidence for your claims.
I'm not using a website as evidence for my claims but my life experiences interacting with different personality types, which Socionics accurately models.
QuoteCause that changes your arguments completely if you were actually talking about different types unintentionally.
I was using MBTI's dichotomies.
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7 hours ago, thisintegrated said:You're sourcing Socionics.. in your argument for Socionics?
I'm arguing for Socionics beacuse the model accurately reflects my experiences interacting with different personality types.
Why else would I be advocating for it?
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People have different personalities types, and even if we all kill our egos, that's not going to change.
MBTI, in my opinion, is the most accurate model for personality types.
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8 hours ago, thisintegrated said:NTPs are sapiosexuals, and would not be interested in ESFJs. An NTP would find it difficult to even respect an ESFJ.
xNTPs and xSFJs, although different in temperament, belong to the same quadra and thus can establish fulfilling relationships. But we're not going to agree on that because you believe you know better.
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12 hours ago, Nilsi said:they just gave me the vibe of being ESFP.
ESFJs and ESFPs give off similar vibes since according to Socionics, they're "quasi-identical" http://www.socionics.com/rel/qid.htm
But internally, they're very different. And even though you might find an ESFP intriguring, I highly doubt you'd get along -- at least not in the long-term. You'd be better off interacting with types within your quadra (ESFJ, ISFJ, INTP, ENTP).
12 hours ago, Nilsi said:I just read the article and it says ESFP is my best match.
In Socionics, for all introverted types, J & P flip. So as an INTP, you'd be considered INTj.
If you want an accurate take on MBTI compatibility, here ya go:
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@Loba That's possible, but it's more likely that he or his friend is mistyped.
2 minutes ago, Loba said:Maybe they're super awesome people who transcend cognitive function limitations and see the value in one another despite being so different?
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12 hours ago, Proserpina said:ISFJ and ESFP or INFJ and ENFP usually have a platonic or unrequited love feel. Best friends at most.
These types share no cognitive functions so the potential of their relationship is limited. @Proserpina
QuoteISTP and INFJ, ISTJ and INFP, ESFP and ENTJ etc.
Whereas these types, known as relations of activity, share all cognitive functions and thus ideal for relationship.
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21 hours ago, Nilsi said:I'm an INTP and I love spending time with ESFPs.
@Nilsi You or your friend must be mistyped because according to Socionics, that's the worse possible match. They're known as relations of conflict and are bound to clash. If you're an INTP, you'd find your dual, ESFJ, a better match.
http://www.socionics.com/rel/dlt.htm
http://www.socionics.com/rel/cnf.htm
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5 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:Marriage doesn't mean much.
@thisintegrated Never said it does
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@thisintegrated In his case, very little effort since he's married to his dual.
http://www.socionics.com/rel/dlt.htm
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QuoteCan't imagine how ISFJ (dual) is in any way compatible with ENTPs.
That's funny because the CIA spy in the video you posted is an ENTP married to an ISFJ.
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I'd advise you to get your head out of the theory and go and actually talk to people, then come back and reevaluate.
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@thisintegrated We're going to have to agree to disagree.
Unlike MBTI, Socionics ITR has reflected my personal interactions with people.
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So do you feel I as an INTJ would get along with an ESFJ?
CS Joesph thinks so. He thinks we're one of the most compatible pairing, which is laughable because that does not at all reflect my experience with that type.
Instead, Socionics hits it on the nail -- http://www.socionics.com/rel/cnf.htm
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7 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:I very rarely conclude someone's not worth my time and ghost them, though I imagine this is something a NiFi like yourself does with some regularity.
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@thisintegrated I've shared interests with INTPs but I felt our relationship lacking and I assume that's because of a lack of shared cognitive functions.
Just because I share common interests, that doesn't mean I like them. We've got common interests to bond over, but otherwise our relationship is mute.
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5 hours ago, thisintegrated said:The problem with Socionics is it doesn't distinguish between different types of compatibility.
Yes it does.
INTJs and INTPs belong to the same club and share similar interests. But beyond sharing interests, INTJs and INTPs have very little in common. They value opposite functions.
https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/clubs/
Clubs are often a common nucleus of spontaneous social interaction (as opposed to "non-spontaneous" as in work, study etc) in modern western societies, and therefore a very common point of formation for social groups, more so than quadras since spontaneous social interaction with new acquaintances tends to be based on common activities and interests if not based on extension of one's close social circle, where quadras are more relevant.
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Just now, thisintegrated said:INTJs love and admire INTPs.
I've had two INTP friends in my life and although we had similar temperaments, we were on totally different wavelengths mentally speaking.
Quasi-identical relation:
The quasi-identical relation describes two types that are similar in their strengths, weaknesses and energy levels, but opposite in quadra values. These types can appear superficially similar to each other on the outside, but have motivations and values that strongly contrast with each other, making them near opposites on the inside. Despite not being suited to support each other whatsoever, quasi-identicals have a better chance of getting along with each other in contrast to the other opposing quadra relations
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@thisintegrated Ok man, looks like you've got a theory that you feel confident about but it doesn't reflect my life experience.
I notice as an INTJ I get along very well with ISFP, ESFP, ENTJ, INTJ whereas INTP,ENTP,ESFJ,ISFJ are fire and ice.
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1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:Functions need their other halves. People need their other halves
Who'd you learn this from? @thisintegrated
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4 hours ago, thisintegrated said:Some functions generate information, while others make use of it. It's one of the fundamental ideas of MBTI.
Oh so you're saying functions generate infomation for its opposite function to use, and that's what produces compatibility?
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4 hours ago, thisintegrated said:Te is nothing without Ti. Te is only as good as its Ti sources. A Te CEO of a software company is useless without Ti users doing the coding. A Te king is useless without his Ti advisors.
I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. We must be getting our information from different sources.
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Just now, thisintegrated said:considering Fi and Fe naturally seek each other out?
I don't know why you believe opposite values seek each other out. That's like saying an athiest and fundamentalist christain seek each other out. That's non-sense! @thisintegrated
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Posted · Edited by Yali
@Nilsi Either you're mistyped or you've mistyped others you've interacted with.