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  1. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    The problem is that Israel wants to claim moral superiority and victim status in this conflict but not do the work to be morally superior

    Yes sadly at least in the west bank this is surely the case.

    I wanted to include the current war in Gaza too minus the killed parameter that wasn't intentional unlike hamas there the key difference between the sides remains, but other parameters yes.

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    4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    The real criticism is not of the soldiers, it's of the top leadership and their selfish nationalist policies.

    The soldiers are just the pawns.

    Yes once there are many isolated settlements, we are Jews and Arabs inmeshed together and then, to manage this physically seems to me as very challenging and chaotic, and only a signed agreement can solve this. 

  3. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    The one with more muscles and more development has a higher responsibility to use restraint.

    Yes I agree, but when a soldier found in this tough zone, and his life is also not so safe there, and there is a violent uprising of the other side, he just think how to stop this to not get into chaos.

    I am not justifying his very low consciousness policy that from our eyes this is obviously will only make things worse long term (but he doesn't yet have that view probably) but just say a higher thinking is very difficult to do in this hard area.

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    10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    No, that's not what is happening here.

    We don't need to assume. It's clear as day by IDF actions that they are abusing their power.

    Yes but this is tricky because both sides harm each other, but when one of them have more muscles his actions will be showed as more abusive, and he will be appeared falsely as the bad guy! But this is a psychological deception. 

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    8 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    Truths to not overlook in this discussion:

     

    • Israel saved millions of lives and secured a future for Jews.
    • Israel was established on undefined land. And the Jews have a damn good claim to it as well as stark necessity for their own state, which ultimately constitutes the bottom line. 
    • Most early Zionists were secular and socialist idealists who were desperate for peace, that spirit still lives on to a large degree in Israeli society. 
    • Israel has no inherent problem with Arabs, just look at Arab Israelis. 
    • Israel’s enemies are total savages in their potential for barbarity ( even compared with reasonable Arab governments which routinely make peace.)Israel must defend itself from that, there is no compromising on that. 
    • There is a vicious cycle and both sides are responsible for that. 
    • Israel deserves criticism (any Israeli will agree) but holding it up to some fairy tale standard and being intensely biased in the demonization of Israel is wrong. Ultimately the people that are engaged in the smear campaign totally dismiss the Israeli POV and practically don't respect their right for survival. 
    • Conveniently overlooking the history you don’t like and arbitrarily choosing from what position you want to start to best serve your agenda. (For both sides).
    • The whole attitude of just blame-shifting on Israel instead of being constructive and deeply understanding. There are clear limits of how much you can blame on Israel. 
    • Hyperbolism is not truth but perversion and is just part of the demonization campaign. To avoid hyperbolism one must be true to (historical) context and similarities.

    +1 ❤

    Very important points.

  6. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    41 minutes ago, Raze said:

    controlled who left and entered

    This is unavoidable for security. Not as an excuse but really.

    41 minutes ago, Raze said:

    controlled their airspace

    Same answer.

    41 minutes ago, Raze said:

    controlled their access to food and water

    Well this is a closed area. Do you have another way?

    41 minutes ago, Raze said:

    let Arabs build properties on Israeli land,

    Both sides build properties there by the way and dont wait to the other side permission. The palestinians ones are not less! Just for honesty.

    41 minutes ago, Raze said:

    bombarded them from the sky

    This is the war argument. Not west bank.

    41 minutes ago, Raze said:

     arrested them by the hundred without charged everytime they acted up

    This is very hurmful and not a smart way to deal with this. You have to think but how the other side probably see as the only way to keep the order there in this plonter Jews are Arabs live one inside the other. But yeah this is a bad ignorant policy that only make things worse.

  9. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Inliytened1 A strong military understandably creates an illusionary highly exaggerated picture of "oppression", while in reality what really there is is a friction, between two societies, in which both Israeli right wing policies, corrupted soldiers (many in this area, not just bad apples) and settler extremists, and Palestinian terror groups do harmful actions to one another that fuel the hate between the sides.

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    1 hour ago, Merkabah Star said:

    I really am passed caring what you think.

    Israel is out of control. No different to Hamas. 

    This is what happen when sitting in an abusive kind of medias all day.

    If I wanted I can turn Canada into a dark cave of murdering and women abuses just with dedicating all my passion into it. But I won't, because I am not toxic.

  13. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    14 minutes ago, Girzo said:

    Israel is abusing the power it have been given after the WWII. As a whole, they are acting like a bullied child becoming a bully themselves.

    This is way oversimplified.

    There was an escalation especially from the 1920's both sides participated in in a complex positive feedback.

    And after that an another huge survival threat for the Jews when 6 Arab countries invaded here, forced them to develop a powerful army during the following decades.

  14. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    3 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

     

    Not justifying the use of an AI to attack, but this is perhaps only in signed no-enter zones to begin with. Nauncy is important. I don't buy those unproportional poison reports and trend of dehumanization in a big part of the media driven with agenda from down to top.

    It is also honest to think what is the cost for standing a living soldier for months when he is under inferiority position in front of an organization with an home-field advantage and tunnels he can run back to and go out from every time in surprise.

  18. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    Rather than be so judgy ask Israelis what made them to be more suspicous of the other side in the last 30 years and why it is being dehumanized.

    Hint: Fear

    Both sides - Palestinian terror groups and Israeli sub-culture of troops units in west bank are equally to blame in this positive feedback with their actions.

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    3 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    The American far right want to ban abortions and put women back in the kitchen. Far right in Israel wants ethnic cleansing. 💀

    There is no left in Israel by any modern standards. 

    The far right is tiny.

    The right wing is ~55% but some of that is soft and wanted compromises.

    The method here make the more extremists forces to be in more control on the government direction.

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    3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    In practice I don't see it. They keep going for more land. They are duplicitous, they say pleasantries but always go for more land.

    Me too. But we are also under a very right wing government from 2009 until today. Our method is problematic because 3 extremist members can decide to collapse the government if they want to, so in some way the tail controls the dog here.