VeganAwake
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The "sense of I" can never truly be satisfied because it's the very experience of separation and lack. ?
It can be recognized however that emotions just seem to come and go and that there isn't a real someone actually experiencing them! ?
The very needy "sense of I" that values one emotion over others is a conditioned illusion.
Enlightenment isn't a better emotional state of being for a someone......it's the end of states of being for no one!
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22 hours ago, Razard86 said:Lol a friend put me onto him. He definitely is rather interesting, but he isn't the endpoint. But he is definitely useful for people who want to awaken to NO SELF. But if you think Tony's message is the sticking point....then you have no clue what Infinity is.
Most people are not going to break out of their dream state listening to him, even with a resonance to his talks. Even with the understanding of no free will etc, I can tell you from direct experience that even the concept of Free Will isn't even as simple as he states it.
For example....every POV is equally GOD in its totality. You can raise your consciousness and realize that the entire universe is in synch with every movement that you make. That your movements in your human body isn't because of nerves....its because of Universal Will. You realize your will is universal will. You also realize that through the illusion you created in the dream free will exists because you hide from yourself the construction of the dream and how it functions. So its like taking a test that you created and have the answers but wiped your memory and now have to figure out what the answers are.
Anyway I like Tony.... I believe he does good work in helping people get to the bottom. He is also the complete 360 degree opposite of Leo lol. There couldn't be two more different speakers on Spirituality than those two.
I get what you mean...
Yeah & what's usually difficult to understand with Tony's communication is that it's a hopeless communication, it's not offering anything and it's not a teaching either.
Its pointing out that the very one that hopes and seeks and seeks and seeks is an illusion of self!
It's the end of seeking due to the recognition that the seeker isn't a real entity within the body-mind organism.
I have a feeling you might like Andreas Mueller ?
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7 hours ago, Razard86 said:^Quiet Tony Parsons. Who are you teaching?
Oh you know his communications!
Awesome bro!
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10 hours ago, Razard86 said:^ This is just parroting... not too sound mean but you need to drop the parroting. Reality is both known and unknown.
What is known? Recognition. Reality would need to recognize itself TO COMMUNICATE with itself which is literally what is happening right now. Recognition is KNOWING. Without the ability to recognize itself it could NEVER communicate. Go try to communicate with someone in a language that you don't understand...you can't because you do not recognize that part of consciousness. You placed a limitation on yourself in consciousness. You can recognize the form of the language, but you cannot recognize the meaning that is being attributed to them.
What is blindness? A lack of recognition of form. What is deafness? A lack of recognition of sound.
So reality can know itself because it is itself, but because it is infinite....its knowledge of itself can never be stable, or grasped, the moment it knows anything....that knowledge can be transcended or recontextualized into ever greater meaning. Since it is eternal, its knowledge will never end so it cannot know itself completely because it can have infinite recontextualizations which is what creativity is.
The part of reality that can never be known is the part of reality that holds all perception. Reality can only know itself through perception or what we can call the senses. Through the senses...it is created through sense-making what I posted up earlier in the thread. But paradoxically you can know it....through becoming aware through the contrast of that which is known....which is the sensory perception.
So it is both known and unknown. If it wasn't known....it could never be pointed too... how can that which cannot be known...ever be discovered and pointed to? It points to itself....when it becomes aware of itself.....what we can say is it can never be known completely.
All I'm saying bro is that seeking energy will constantly make you feel like you're on the cusp of discovering something groundbreaking, it will just keep seeking and jumping from one thing to another( spiritual jump rope) That energy never gets satisfied by seeking more either.
There's absolutely nothing right or wrong with seeking knowledge or answers....it's just what seems to be happening!
The illusory experience of being a separate individual naturally gives rise to the experience of lack or incompleteness, & so the seeking journey begins.
Don't take my word for it though, notice it for yourself!
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Nothingness is just a word describing the unknowable nature of reality...ie.... if you zoom in close enough on any particle there's simply nothing there..... it becomes ridiculous or unfathomable. Reality is not something to be gotten because it's not even a something..... it's off the scale unknowable sort of speak and yet the appearance is an explosion of light color and sound.
It's something and it's simultaneously nothing = 0
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There isn’t a catch, it's just that enlightenment isn't an actual something to get or attain....
it's the end of placing an overly of meaning, purpose or value(dream story) over top of reality.
It's not like a different perspective to experience reality from.....it's the end of perspectives altogether.
Enlightenment is the freedom from all that but for no one.
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What can happen is you learn how to love yourself and when focusing on yourself gets mundane it spills over to everything!
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There isn't a real incarnation(you/me) now in which could have been/could be reincarnated.
Awakening reveals this sense of separation is an illusion;misidentification; misunderstanding!
The surprise ends up being, there isn't a 'false self' and there isn't 'a real self' either, its the same illusion....... there just isn't anyone altogether, which can be a terrifying realization to a tightly wound 'sense of self'.
Enlightenment is the end of the experience of being a separate localized individual. It's the end of the illusory seeker running the rat race sort of speak!
And it's fairly rare from what I've seen!
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Staying at the Roadway Inn or staying at Four Seasons!
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It's just another word describing enlightenment like liberation, nirvana, samadhi and such!,
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I would imagine Insanity to feel heavy and burdensome.
Where as enlightenment feels light and frothy like a vanilla cappuccino free floating!
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13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:No one is really applying red irons to you while you're hanging by your thumbs, but if it seems like it's happening, it's probably no comfort to you. I mean...what, according to you, is the difference between something appearing to be happening, or actually happening?
if you are being tortured, your self will be strengthened. because the self is the energy that wants, and at that moment you will very much want to stop being tortured. then, that energy is unreal? why? there really is an energy that wants. that energy is what forms the self in all its nuances, the one that makes you think about everything you think. what you think is unreal, but the energy is very real.
Yeah the body will still experience physical pain and avoid it.....there just isn't a you inside of it doing that or experiencing anything.....it's an illusion of self!
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1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:And I don't think you can escape it (life/consciousness) even after death.
What a sad situation this is.
Oh it's much weirder than that.
There isn't even a you in which could escape it!
Nothing is actually happening even though it appears to be.
It can't get any more absurd!
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2 hours ago, at_anchor said:I am not a spiritual person and didn't really ask these questions in the past. Now that I am on the brink of suicide, these existential questions became more relevant to me. How do I find answers to the following questions...
Who am I? Where did I come from? Where did existence come from as well as all these other people in my life that i don't get along with? Where are the Gods if there are any? Why isn't reality just nothingness the way it is every night I go to sleep? Why care about life when we are gonna die anyways and there is no life after this one? What is the difference between me and you? If nothing, why am I still here and why does it feel like we are different and separate?
Well the individual that thinks it's currently alive and will eventually die and thinks that finding answers to these questions will somehow be advantageous to it..... is an illusion of self meaning it's not real.
So in that sense nothing matters in any way at all and that's the freedom Enlightenment reveals.
It can also seem stupid ridiculous a waste or whatever...
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THIS is already the end and simultaneously nothing ever started/happened, the individual that feels like it's moving on a progressive spiritual path from birth to death is the illusion of self or maya. This entity called 'ME' is already not there!
When that physical body dies, the illusion of self will never even know it seemed to exist & it actually didn't.
Liberation is freedom from these conditioned concerns but for No One!
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On 10/8/2022 at 3:18 PM, vladorion said:No-self is boring.
Try becoming a mouse.
Well Its always just what seems to be happening!
Watching TV, drinking a beer, becoming a mouse, being bored, making a video ?
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On 10/5/2022 at 8:48 PM, Twinstar said:Enlightenment does not wake you up, it simply shifts you into a different dream. It keeps you playing the game, chasing after new enlightenments. Thinking you're God and that you are everything is the ultimate form of attachment. Let go of the idea that you are everything and everyone, and see that you are Nothing. None of it is real. Stop projecting meanings such as Love, God, and Truth. Go full circle until you are back at Nothing. That's how you stop playing the game and actually wake up.
It can just be a simple recognition that the individual desperately attempting to wake up, isn't really there!
It has nothing to do with someone becoming enlightened....it's the end of being a separate someone altogether!
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14 hours ago, Batman said:You can't achieve no-mind, because any activity to achieve something is an activity of mind. It is a bit like trying to surrender forcefully, it is contradictory.
The thinking process slows down or ceases when the identification with it weakens or ends. Sure, meditation can help and also what you eat has effect on the mind. But ultimately it is a matter of identification. Those who tend to over think are usually more identified as the one doing the thinking, so dissolving the thinker (which is about clearly seeing that the thinker is also a thought) can be a pointer towards ceasing to think.
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It's the end of suffering in the sense that it's the clear revelation that the sufferer was an illusion of self identity.
So it's not that a someone stops suffering, rather it's the end of the needy someone altogether..... it's the end of the individual needing things to be one way or another!
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19 hours ago, Someone here said:What if I can't remove myself from the situation, can't change it ,and can't accept it ?
What then ? Hit my head into the wall? Praying to an imaginary God who doesn't give a fuck? Or suicide myself?
You know, some times it gets REALLY fucking dark that nothing makes sense anymore. There are people who suffer unimaginable amounts of suffering in this world.
Bro something you have to understand is there's no real traps because there's no real meaning or purpose to apparent reality. You simply can't go down the right or wrong path when there isn't one to begin with.
So what if someone is trying to push their beliefs and concepts on to you, you already know they're just concepts and beliefs.....
I get it, there seems to be paths closer to truth and further away from truth.....it's all BS.
The idea that there is somebody doing the right or wrong thing is the illusion of self!
The Matrix or dream story is literally the experience of being a someone going down the right or wrong path.
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If you find your here and now intolerable and it makes you unhappy, you have three options: remove yourself from the situation, change it, or accept it totally. If you want to take responsibility for your life, you must choose one of those three options, and you must choose now. Then accept the consequences.
- ET
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Enlightenment doesn't answer any how's or why's, rather it bluntly confronts the apparent questioner with "who is asking"
What is this 'me' character that wants to KNOW so badly, what does it consist of?
Like taking a fresh outside look at these inner behaviors and needs!
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The seeking for something called Truth ends up being a completely egoic driven endeavor..... it's always about "if I know the truth MY life will be better" and it will even disguise the purpose of said endeavors as also making everyone else's lives better as well!
The sense of self is the constant need or desire to try to make things better than the current experience.
The seeking literally makes it seem like it's somewhere else....it's actually hilarious when the whole apparent predicament is seen through!
There's nothing right or wrong with being content or discontent.... yep it's that free!
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Yep it's everything.....can't get outside of everything to point at it!
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