VeganAwake

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  1. Posted

    3 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

    and will never grasp the whole of reality.

    But enlightenment doesn't have anything to do with "grasping the whole of reality"

    Rather its clearly seeing that this ME character trying to grasp infinity, isn't actually there. 

    This can feel like death for some and simultaneously like a relaxed energetic release away from upholding this illusion of self. A deflation of sorts.

    All its deeply seeded societal conditioning is seen through, & It eventually gets starved of energy.

    It seems hidden until it's obvious!

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  6. Posted

    4 minutes ago, SOUL said:

    Something to be aware of is the propensity of the self conscious, also can be referred to as the ego, to take any certain type of experience that mystics talk about and turn it into an activity that creates separation between some imagined goal.

    Enlightenment, however one will define it, is essentially a 'non-activity' that appears in the mind as a goal we don't currently have experience of then tries to 'do something' to attain it. Enlightenment isn't special in this regard, even god realization can be conceptualized by the mind this same way.

    Some may even say that both of those are 'non-experiences' as well, which adds to the mind's conceptualized separation from them because the mind is an activity generator by its nature. Its stimuli purpose is to motivate behavior so is counterproductive for those realizations.

    This isn't to make a statement about whether either are actual or illusion, just that the mind will seize upon anything mystical and conceptualize it as separated from it then having to do something to attain it. It is just what it does, not good or bad, right or wrong, just is what it is.

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    spiritual materialism 

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  7. Posted

    3 hours ago, Razard86 said:

    Starting to think you are a bot. You say the same thing over and over.

     

    Yeah, I can see that!!

    I'm married with 3 kids and we have a 2 year old German doodle so I jump on & off quickly usually 

    I also use voice text on my cell probably 80% of the time.

    For me it just seems like certain words "hit the mark" better than others, so I probably way overuse them.

    Maybe I listened to too many spiritual woo woo books in my early days...I dunno ? 

    There's definitely some sort of human- being over here reading and responding though.

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  9. Posted

    1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

    ^^^^This entire post is an interpretation....why does the interpreter pretend...that it isn't interpreting? Maybe because the interpreter....likes to spin its own story about the story of the ego. Don't think you can escape, but you are welcome to deny you haven't escaped....

     

    Well escaping implies that someone is bound.

    What's being said is there isn't a real you to escape. It's an illusion of self!

    Everything else is just bad interpretation!

     

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  10. Posted

    2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

    The mind attached to beliefs is a stupid mind by definition. Once you let go of stupidity the mind is freed, but that does not mean it is empty, forms constantly arise since that is the nature of the mind, but nothing is interpreted, it is simply reality flowing. Even so, there are barriers, there are levels of depth and clarity with which the mind free of concept perceives itself

    Haha, no need to call it stupid but I get what you mean. It occasionally tries its best lol.

    Here it just became obvious that the illusion of self/mind desperately attempts to understand and know reality but through its deeply conditioned or biased perspective.

    This illusion of self/perspective, spins all kinds of radical stories about how and why reality is the way it is............this is what i refer to as the dream story or matrix but just with a spiritual twist added...... In other words it attempts to grasp the ungraspable absolute or infinity, place it in a box and mark it off as known..... This could also be referred to as spiritual ego, but to each their own I guess. Basically it's always trying to get to a better experience in the future. It never becomes completely satisfied. 

     

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    "The interpreter has left the building, I repeat the interpreter has left the building"  ? 

     

     

     

     

     

  11. Posted

    2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

    I think that is just the story you tell yourself. Which is cool, because guess what? Even when it is seen to be a dream,.....there is always a story. Why? Because every production has a story, if it weren't true for you....you would have forgotten how to speak. I say this all the time "your actions reveal how you really feel."

    You are here because you are still seeking, and your story is you paying it forward. Just like Tony Parsons, that is the story he says. What I have noticed in human spirituality many of you create delusions of denial. There is nobody here? As you charge people for your retreats and meetings. Nobody is speaking....as you dodge when something is thrown at you. 

    Miss me with all that. On one hand I understand why it is done, it's to help the egos that cling to dream to awaken, on the other hand....you also delude yourself that you aren't clinging too. As long as you seek to eat, and maintain your form....you are part of the clinging to survive. But you can certainly delude yourself into thinking otherwise....but I don't fall for that b.s. lol.

     

    Well then yeah bro that's what's being experienced there..... it's whole, complete and perfect ❤️ 

  12. Posted

    2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

    I meant, if you empty your mind, the essence of the absolute is realized, but últimately an empty mind and a full mind are the same, the absolute,just that in the full mind the trees hide the wood. There is no different quality in emptiness compared to fullness, it only seems that way. Imo The error is assuming that there is a wrong activity, which leads to suffering, vs. an enlightening attitude that liberates from it. everything is the absolute. There is just our preference against suffering because it's unpleasant .

    Once you have seen this, all you have to do is open yourself to yourself as deep as you can

    Awesome, just remember, it's not forcing the mind to be empty....

    The mind empties itself under the weight of recognizing it's beliefs are all conditioned BS. 

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  13. Posted

    13 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

    Do you see it as everything already exist and it is up to us to chose what part of the already existing existence that we want to experience by changing our perceptions, beliefs and assumptions.

    No its not choosing or cherry picking....It's recognizing that PA isn't a real entity as or within the body.

    It can be difficult to empty the glass because it feels like death, but that is what Ralston is talking about in his "book of not knowing"

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  14. Posted

    6 hours ago, Razard86 said:

    Which is a concept....notice...you attempt to not construct a concept....and then you push forward a concept...so which is it? Also...why do you waste your time repeating the same thing? Might as well just copy and paste that same response....on every thread...it would save you time. 

    Also...if what you said were true....then why are you still here? On this forum....what is it that you seek?

    I think I must like your guys energy and relentless dedication to discovery or something ? 

    Definitely not trying to push anymore concepts. (The cupeth is overflowing) 

    There was a very desperate seeker here for quite a few years until it died.

    Actualized.org(Leo) content was there for 'me' during that time and I think I just  like to try to "pay it forward" sorta speak 

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  15. Posted

    It's not that physical objects physically change, it's that the illusion of self is no longer there to fabricate a story or place an illusory layer of meaning, purpose, and value upon the physical object itself.

    Reality is already itself, its already complete regardless of the names and beliefs placed on them.

    Awakening isn't this complex wishy-washy thing. It can be very subtle and simultaneously completely unmistakable.

    It's not a gaining or adding of concepts and beliefs.

    It's the falling away of concepts and beliefs to see clearly what already is!

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  16. Posted · Edited by VeganAwake

    6 hours ago, Fountainbleu said:

    But your saying there's an ego? Doesn't implying there's an ego imply there's something besides it/the self? 

    There seems to be, but its not real, I refer to the ego as the illusion of self or the conditioned character one seems to grow into from a baby. That "ME" character/ego isn't really there!

    The self/higher self or whatever is just a delusional identification game the ego attempts to play because it wants to survive, just like anything else!

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  18. Posted

    I think some of you are letting your conditioned minds run you around like chickens with their heads cut off!

    I mean, I get it & yes it's super entertaining and all, but at some point, it should become obvious that a very creative imagination superimposing its concepts and beliefs overtop of reality does not make it true.

    Reality doesn't care what you think about it. It doesn't need a label given to it. It doesn't need a human story of how or why placed onto it!

    Enlightenment is not spinning endless conceptual stories off the top of the head about reality in an effort to make the self illusion feel more comfortable or grounded!

    It's the end of the conceptualizer or spiritual materialist.

    It's the disentangling from the socially conditioned matrix of mind known as " ME " 

    It's literally the end of the individual trying to attain it or rather the revelation that it was never real to begin with. And so in that sense, enlightenment isn't real because it's the end of something that never started. 

    Which is exactly where the saying comes from that "everyone is already enlightened"

    Believing that there's more to reality than meets the eye is the bus ticket...... Clearly seeing that there's not is the ride home or the end of seeking!

    When it comes to reality, there's only what Seems to be happening.

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  21. Posted

    3 hours ago, SeaMonster said:

    That's not what enlightenment means.  It doesn't mean you become emotionally numb or a comic superhero or anything else your imagination wants to conjure up.  It means you no longer believe in the false idea of self that creates an alienation from your true nature.

    It's simultaneously recognized that the idea of a "someone" having or being their true nature was also just a conditioned imaginary belief stemming from this "self illusion" 

    Make no mistake, the "illusion" wants to be there to reap the benefits of enlightenment. But the problem is it's not real lol.

    Like a mirage of a tall glass of water in the desert blocking the view of the entire ocean.

    When the "self illusion" gets out of the way, infinite reality is recognized to be totally unknowable

    Its freedom in the sense that there's no one left trying to desperately understand infinity. 

    Seeking ends because it's recognized nothing was ever missing or needs to be found or understood in the first place.

     

    Here the knower has left the building!

     

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  22. Posted

    4 hours ago, jdc7733 said:

    @VeganAwake if anything can happen in enlightenment then surely there can be no enlightenment, apparently there is no enlightenment, I do think you can be enlightenment, but, not permanent, as nothing is permanent.

    Yeah It's confusing because Enlightenment isn't a Physical object or a state of mind to be gotten or attained.

    The word enlightenment refers to the lack of the "illusion of self" 

    So it's neither permanent nor impermanent because the "illusion of self" was never real from the start. ? That's why it's often said that everyone is already awakened.

    Basically, the "You" seeking enlightenment goes bye bye and the energy once used to uphold the sticky "illusion of self"(You) relaxes and dissipates back into everything.

    Then reality is just what it is without the judgments of being good bad right wrong this way or that way.

    Its freedom but for nobody!

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  23. Posted

    @jdc7733

    Enlightenment doesn't end these feelings and emotions....it's fully inclusive and anything can happen although typically they do tend to slow down pretty drastically.

    The key difference is they are no longer personal feelings. The sticky "illusion of self" is no longer taking ownership and perpetuating the whole dramatic story.

    So these feelings can seem to arise but there isn't a "you" left feeding them energy.

    So they can seem to arise and fall away as quickly as they came!

    There can also seem to be an innocence & or unconditional love for apparent reality

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  24. Posted

    10 hours ago, Someone here said:

    I see ?

    Just curious..are you open to the possibility that there is "more " to awakening than merely recognition of no self?

    It is not uncommon to experience or realize one facet of infinity that might make you think you know it all  and then to later realize deeper..more profound aspects  .

    So be patient about the experience you had in 2018.  don’t be quick to come to conclusions or form solid understandings. Stay open minded   lighthearted..and interested. You’ve been moving quick..burning through the mental layers that take a lot of people years.

     

    Lastly..if you think this is a ride.. wait till you fully realize the infinite unconditional love that you are. Reality gets entirely flipped inside out.. outside in. The whole show  is literally happening within you.. within your love ❤ 

    What i'm talking about is ordinary it's not complex at all!

    All the seeker can do is continue to endlessly seek bro.  Notice it!

    Its motto is "THIS is not it"

    It cannot begin to fathom its own unreality......it's way to busy seeking for a better experience in the future.

    Its the perfect distraction.

    Were just not talking about the same thing and that's totally fine! 

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