VeganAwake

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  1. @PenguinPablo The cosmic joke turns out being that "nobody knows or becomes awakened because awakening is not an action or linear event in time for a real person. Rather its the clear recognition that this important  "ME" character attempting to attain some kind of mind based enlightenment experience, is completely not real. Its an illusion of self....Maya!!! 😮

    That's the real freedom that's being sought after but only by an illusion!

    It turns out that the very notion of actually knowing something is the real illusion or Matrix.

    And that is even just apparent stories 🤣

    ❤️ 


  2. 18 hours ago, Theplay said:

    I have had many times where I was sure I got it.

    My ego was no longer active and my experience was full of bliss.

    Then I got distracted by worldly pursuits , and after a while...

    I was back to how I operated before.

    The enlightenment had passed and my ego was back.

    Enlightenment is not a permanent attainment but rather a state of being.

    I use the words "state of being" here because I find no other words to describe it.

    The point being that it must be maintained.

    The ego is like a habit.

    To completely stop this habit requires time and great care.

    And it can come back.

    So don't stop at enlightenment.

    Enlightenment is a way of being.

    Being free of the self.

    Being free of the mind.

     

    "A house which is only windows,

    is actually no house" 

      

    Surprisingly there actually isn't a "you" and then another thing called "your ego"

    Both are "illusions of self" which are completely and clearly seen through upon the so-called experience of liberation.

    Whatever happens after that is completely fair game.

    Action and non action or doing and not doing is recognized as one in the same or dancing emptiness!!!

    Empty and full simultaneously

    It's just not something that's attained or gained after a certain amount of spiritual practice or anything like that.

    It's not an attainment at all infact......it's the dropping away of that conditioned character that is trying to attain it or rather the revelation that it was never real from the start.

    Yep, just the clear recognition that this heavily conditioned "ME" character out running the rat race is not actually there

    It's kind of unexpected for obvious reasons. 😅 

    ❤️ 

     


  3. 11 hours ago, Yimpa said:

    @VeganAwake damn right! 

    Do you still consider yourself vegan? 

    Hey there,

    My whole family went vegan for about 4 years from 2017-2020. My middle son is the only one left eating fully vegan now, but we mostly all eat organic vegetarian....my Wife loves her shrimp though haha!

    We haven't purchased any dairy milk for probably the last 10 years or so. We do almond, coconut or soy milks instead with cereal and whatnot.

    I kept the user name veganawake anyways because that extreme diet change sorta kicked off the start of the spiritual journey here!

    ❤️ 


  4. On 12/29/2023 at 6:05 AM, Breakingthewall said:

    I am not talking about a logical deduction resulting from the observation of the cosmos. Logically you can also think the opposite, I'm talking about being able to go beyond the mind, immerse yourself in the current moment, in reality, in yourself if you prefer, and feel and realize the flow of existence. This is spirituality and it can go very deep. Later logical constructions are inevitable, but you should not get attached to them, they are superficial, like everything mental.

    The fun is when you can break the surface at will and immerse yourself in the flow of reality without interpreting and without evading. Most people live in evasion, some feel the need to stop and see if they normally live in interpretation, and others can leave that behind and live in the flow, but there are degrees here too. The thing is to increase the depth, get used to true life without a filter, leave behind any need for evasion, interpretation, rumination, any fear, and delve as far as possible into the mysticism of the now. That's where the beauty is. There is also beauty in love and work, but without depth in the end everything becomes unreal and twisted.

    Gotcha,

    Yes enlightenment is completely inclusive... It does not exclude or evade what seems to be happening.

    But This is already everything. It doesn't get any better.

    There are not any degrees to reality though. That is a human made concept which is exactly the kinds of stories that go bye-bye upon real awakening.

    Enlightenment has nothing to do with finding a better experience in the future.

    It's the end of the self illusion that runs around thinking that it needs to be found.... It's the end of the seeker and it's conceptual filtration of apparent reality.

    It's freedom from the very thing that simply cannot grasp, that freedom is all there ever was.

    ❤️ 


  5. On 12/29/2023 at 11:02 AM, YogiCosmos said:

    The right koan, for example, can awaken the Self to itself.

    It may have been described that way by some indian yogi or whatever, but there isn't a self that awakens period. Nobody wakes up!

    Awakening is quite literally the end of the very character that is trying to attain it. Or rather, it's the recognition that the me character never existed in the first place. It was only an illusion of self. An assumption that was never questioned(is there really a ME)

    When there's a character everything needs to fit in it's agenda. It's very picky and needy!!!

    The end of the character is simultaneously the recognition that it was never real from the start.

    There is no one left feeding energy or giving credibility to these chronic monkey mind thoughts. So the monkey mind tends to die down greatly.

    It can be a gradual dropping away of this unreal self illusion. It isn't always a POP like experience.

    It's Freedom recognizing that all there ever was, was Freedom. But the unreal self character made it seem like it was somewhere else or missing.

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  6. 1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

    If your perception has some depth, you will quickly realize that absolutely everything is deliberate. Every little detail of this is a perfect flow.

    Gotcha yeah, & in that sense, you could say everything is in perfect flow since the planet is just the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life as we know it.... the heart is beating and pumping blood through the body.....☀️ summer spring winter fall and whatnot. Rabbits are out humping.

    I'm not sure about deliberate as a description..... Here it seems random kind of like a runaway train without its conductor.

    Someone could also describe it as complete chaos and anarchy 👹

    I kind of like how jim newman describes it.

    "There's only what seems to be happening" ‐  Jim Newman

    ❤️ 


  7. On 12/26/2023 at 4:01 PM, Breakingthewall said:

    Existence here and now exist. There is no doubt about that.

    What will happen when the body dies? That's the question 

    Reality seems cyclical and everything has meaning and is interconnected. Reality is evolution, when this cycle comes to an end, another will begin, i guess that each time a little higher, until reaching a total level. and then I suppose that all reality will disaggregate completely again, in its most elemental, and start again, eternally. That seems a bit tiring, with no escape, but maybe it works different, who knows 

    Hi,

    Yes, I agree existence as we know it seems to be occurring.

    I like pointing out all the concepts and beliefs that humans place overtop of existence/reality.

    We create endless stories about who, what, when, where, why...

    Example:

    There must be a creator.

    There must be a reason the creator created.

    There must be a very important purpose to all of reality.

    Maybe I'm the creator and forgot I created.

    Maybe our spirits go to a heaven or hell realm.

    If I seek and read enough human stories, I will one day have all the answers to the cosmos.

    Maybe existence was created by intelligent aliens light years ago.

    Maybe everything reincarnates and we never die.

    Jesus died for our sins. 

    ......see my point.......

    The stories and concepts are endless.... interesting of course, but when you "get down to the brass tacks" none of these beliefs really seem to make any logical sense. which is why the seeking usually continues.

    See reality doesn't need a story.....it doesn't require the human desire for meaning, purpose  and value!!!!

    Reality doesn't care whether or not humans approve of its functionality.

    Only humans need the answer of why.

    Can the human mind shatter its own conditioning to let go of these ridiculous belief systems?

    ...I think it's possible but very rare...

    ❤️ 


  8. There is no such thing as god. God is a story humans created out of fear. It's like a needing mommy/daddy comlex. Or they just blindly follow religion/spirituality assuming it must be correct since so many others are doing it.

    Basically humans are running around stuck in whatever line of thinking/conditioning/assumptions that sounded good for the illusion of self/ego at that period.

    The body will surely die, but there never was a YOU inside of it, so nothing actually dies because it was never real from the start.

    This is already death.

    Truth as we know it, ends up being the disillusionment of all these silly human stories and beliefs...... Sure some of them sound good to the ego...... Doesn't make it true in anyway unfortunately 🤣 

    ❤️ 

     


  9. On 12/21/2023 at 2:19 AM, Someone here said:

    @VeganAwake hey bro ..sorry I've been ignoring your comments on my posts recently because you seem to be still stuck in the no self stuff but no worries..

    I'm curious as to why you only post on the spirituality section..why don't you post on the dating section..you know..sharing what kind of porn you watch? xD(jk).

    That's okay bro, no need to apologize, you have some different interesting topics I like to comment on here and there often.

    What I'm saying is there isn't a someone there or here in which could get stuck. Thoughts or thinking can become fixated on certain topics and whatnot, but there isn't a you inside the body actually doing it, it just happens! 

    I have the forum spirituality section as a short cut on my cell phone and that's also probably why I don't post/comment anywhere else 😅 

    I might check out some of these other forum topics 🤙thx for the mention.

    ❤️ 


  10. Ime...It's not the end of the physical body, it's the end of the personal identification as the body and thinker!

    It's like an internal recognition upon introspection that this needy ME character isn't actually there. 

    There can sometimes seem to be an energetic release and or shift away from upholding this ME structure. But that's typically when it's illusory nature has been clearly seen through.

    ❤️ 


  11. 10 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

    We are all lost in the fucking mind.

    Thinking we 'understand'.

    Only if one drops everything... Then there is a possibility of entering the dimension of liberation.

    Which is why 5-meo destroys all your thoughts...absolutely every one of them. ALL of them! And It leaves you alone with Reality.

    Once you try to grasp again a single thought to explain "It", you FUCKED UP!

    We must work in dropping the mind, opening a dimension Beyond mind.

    Only abiding in that spacious opened dimension is Awakening. Any bondage is not awakening. Thought is bondage. 

    IF you can tune into that dimension most of the time, when you dont have to use your mind for menial tasks, then yeah, you are AWAKE (at that time)

     

    Hi there, ✌️❤️

    my friend this kind of sounds like a subconscious avoidance of reality. I mean I totally get it, life can feel overwhelming and to in your face.

    Ime awakening is not about dropping everything or becoming a kind of meditating pacifist that resides in a permanent bliss state or whatever.  Nor is it the dropping away of the self, or the end of habitually thinking! (And simultaneously it includes all of this as well) 

    See, the phrase dropping away suggests that there is something that needs to happen for awakening to occur for a someone. That is obviously another conditioned thought right?

    Instead of thinking more.....look for the thinker all together. Go to the source if there is one 😉 

    Who is lost in the mind?

    Is there an actual experiencer(ME) lost in the mind, or is that just another thought/assumption?

    What does me consist of?

    ❤️ 

     


  12. Yep it's a real debacle.

    If you believe "I am god", then there's no one else to validate any claims about apparent reality.

    And if you don't believe in god, there's still no one else to validate anything 🙄 

    It just becomes blatantly obvious that there just isn't an understandable or logical answer to the age old question of HOW & WHY?

    Just sit back, enjoy the show and let reality take charge. That's already what's happening anyways!!! 😂 

    ❤️ 


  13. 🤟

    Ime.....The ego whether it's called spiritual or not is really just the false identification as the doer and the thinker of thoughts. It's the credit taker. The one collecting spiritual badges for the next big consciousness debate.

    Whether it calls itself god, consciousness or the human organism, it's all about perpetuating the identification as that! It needs constant reassurance like a control freak with low self esteem

    Its a real bugger because its not actually real 🙃 

    ❤️ 


  14. On 12/14/2023 at 11:48 AM, Javfly33 said:

    This is just an insight...maybe IS a dumb one...

    But what if could we define enlightment as puré Experience or Perception without:

    • Thoughts
    • Ideas
    • Emotions
    • Physical sensations
    • Projections
    • Concepts
    • Feelings

    Basically removing all that Filters your Perception...you g

    Of course...you canwa wage cnot drive, operate machinery or do work with this. So this kind of enlighment would be a kind of "Holidays" or "vacation".

    Everyone enjoys some holidays days some once in a while 😃🤣you can not deny that.

    Enlighment or not...im sure tickets would be sold in a day if this cok4uld be marketed to the human machine.

    It's kind of like recognizing all there ever was is vacation or holiday but the illusion of self thought it had to be discovered, learned or earned.

    The self illusion IS the filter. It creates the dream story(matrix) within apparent reality. 

    Every body that you see running around, is lost in there own filtered dream story. 

    The stories are often similar like religion.

    Seeing all this clearly is the grace, is the enlightenment, is the freedom, is what's longed for.

    ❤️ 


  15. 2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

    Here it works differently . Very differently. 

    So as I said before, the weaker the self the less choice so something moves me to do something, trying to maintain itself, continuous cycle. Very odd I know. I don’t understand it myself. It doesn’t make sense . I cannot possibly phantom what I am in

    Gotcha,

    Back in 2018 here it was like a disruption or starvation of energy to this self illusion. It was almost like it was backlashing and very irritable at times. 

    It's just energy doing what energy does. But there's no one doing it.

    Very curious to see how you feel in the next couple months, keep us posted and thx 4 sharing 😊 

    ❤️