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  1. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    @Roy

    6 hours ago, Roy said:

    but we are also simotaneously transcendent of our animal programming

    In what ways? 

    Yes we can hijack previous animal programming for other means, that’s doesn’t mean we’ve transcended it 

    6 hours ago, Roy said:

    We can behave in ways that are counterproductive to our "survival" and "thriving", because we are looking for other things we deem more valuable.

    This is does not mean we’ve again transcended just because we are acting counterproductively to our best survival and Darwinian imperatives.

    It only means we are acting poorly for our survival.

    If you continue to behave in ways that are counterproductive to your survival you will prematurely die not procreate and you are a genetic dead end and that is written into our very structure of our being.

    6 hours ago, Roy said:

    Monogamy isn't a "lie" (whatever that means). It's an option. This really all comes down to selfishness vs selflessness. Stray too far in either direction and you're going to feel states of hollow dissatisfaction or new states of happiness.

    Monogamy is a lie with the way it is portrayed in mainstream society, that it is A) natural B) always preferable and C) should be enforced 

    All of those points are lies that are sold 

    6 hours ago, Roy said:

    Do you want to be a Devil or do you want to be God?

    Ultimately I don’t even understand the difference 

    8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Survival and reproduction are the true lies

    Maybe 
     

  5. Posted

    @JessiChell

    5 minutes ago, JessiChell said:

    Goodnight 

    Lol goodnight

    Dont know what time it is in America but I’ve just woken up

    6 minutes ago, JessiChell said:

    Believe me, it feels good. ?

    Gonna have to take your word 

    Side note - watching this Leo video on overcoming addiction and I’m pretty sure he says a good defo of self actualisation is having no addiction or something along those lines

     

  6. Posted

    @JessiChell

    Sure, I can’t remember Leo’s defo of self actualisation 

    1 minute ago, JessiChell said:

    But feeling shame during sex doesnt hurt you. It feels good to feel shame. Just like joy or laughter. They're all emotions. This is where I'm confused. 

    I think by definition it can’t be good to feel shame, maybe to realise that it doesn’t matter but I don’t think it can feel good

    Yeah we’re probably talking past one another

    Anyways have a good one

  8. Posted

    @JessiChell

    Yeah we probably have different definitions, I doubt there is a strict definition to something as broad as self actualisation 

    I believe that sexualising shame is similar to an alcoholic romanticising drinking alcoholic 

    What it does is creates a justification to continue to do something that hurts you, as you said

    1 hour ago, JessiChell said:

    see porn as another distraction you can drown in

    The same as sex and the same as perverted sex, if your eroticising shame you solidifying your own insecurities and self loathing and making yourself more dependent upon the drug of sex

  9. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    @JessiChell

    6 minutes ago, JessiChell said:

    @IJB063 but we arent talking about abuse. We are talking about using shame during sex. 

    Is this abuse? 

    But an actualized person is basically a god. They can do whatever they want, I thought. 

    They are literally present. If your mind was fucked (physically) by a drug then they have probably lost their ability to actualize , right? 

     

    You have an idealised version of what an actualised person is

    Maybe your talking about some Buddha esque religious enlightened figure

    But the Buddha is only human, and I’m pretty sure despite all the meditation if he was previously a boozer and you took him to a bar he would have a strong desire to drink appear inside of him

    I guess in a sense you’ve lost your ability to self actualise to the perfect superhuman übermensch being

    But you do what you can do with the life you’ve been given and the circumstances you’ve been given now, many people minds are fucked for many different reasons and life circumstances, that’s life, you play the cards your dealt 

    I wouldn’t say that therefore you can’t actualise, you just can’t reach the upper limits of what the true actualised being would be

     

  10. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    @JessiChell

    11 minutes ago, JessiChell said:

    @IJB063 you dont believe it's about self acceptance? Like acceptance of reality of percieved failures? 

    Will you explain it to me, if not? 

    I need to understand if its something I want to personally work on. 

    Someone shouldn’t accept something bad that’s happening to them

    If you’re being abused in your life by someone or in some way your abusing yourself that’s not something I say that you should accept

    You accept the things you can’t change in life because there is nothing else to do and you change the things you can because you can to improve and better your life, you don’t just accept unhealthy behaviour and a shit life when you can change it, where if you can’t change it there is never else you can do but accept it

    7 minutes ago, JessiChell said:

    @IJB063 You're confusing me because I thought a completely self actualized person wouldnt be dependent on any stimulant(distraction) whatsoever. 

    Yes, a completely actualised person wouldn’t be dependent on anything hypothetical, that doesn’t mean if you were previously an alcoholic you gonna to be able to go back to socially drinking

    An alcoholic has fucked his mind

    He is in able of social drinking like a normal person because his hind brain and impulses are completely wired against him

    That is something he struggles with and cannot absolutely change, so he must accept it, and not just accept alcoholism 

  12. Posted

    @AtheisticNonduality

    6 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

    Nah, that's just stage blue kink shaming.  People can eroticise anything they want as long as doesn't cause any real harm to non-consenting individuals.

    It’s not about Puritanism your missing the point, it about what psychological healthy 

    @JessiChell

    1 hour ago, JessiChell said:

    This was interesting to read, guys. 

    @IJB063 You're right, it comes from trauma usually. Religious trauma or other relationship traumas but it can also come from societal norms, which, the individual may perceive as failure. However, I thought this work was about self-acceptance as you are. Traumas/failures included. I thought it would be healing to accept this part of you. 

    I thought there was no "right and wrong?"

     

    In the ultimate sense there is no right and wrong and these things are just abstract concepts but that doesn’t mean I’m currently living my life as though that was true

  13. Posted

    @AtheisticNonduality

    27 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

    @IJB063 It's good to be aroused by shame because shame is often faulty and dysfunctional in a society heavily affected by stage blue.

    That belief is the belief given to you by a decadent castrated society

    To eroticise shame is to attempt to make positive ones failures as to artificially ameliorate them, and sedate yourself of your own insecurities, all you truly end up doing is kicking the can down the road, you don’t actually fix the underlying reason for the shame, instead all you do pervert own our most sacred aspect of our humanity our conscience, by taking the process by which we decide right and wrong and using it for your own sick and base sexually gratification, thereby creating a disgusting vortex where things just get worse and worse

    I think to say it is good to eroticise shame can only come from a broken mind

  15. Posted

    @Onemanwolfpac

    57 minutes ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

    She likely had a past trauma. Its disassociation. Its not routine sexualize shame. Power vs force calibrate shame at 20. That's the lowest of the low. To sexualize shame is sad and awful. 

    I’m not gonna play armchair psychologist but sexualising shame is not a good thing

    58 minutes ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

    trash shit because of my Feels. 

    We live in age of feels before reals

    59 minutes ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

    think spiritual rejuvenation is so important. Its why I read things like ACIM, Path to God by Ram Dass and a variety of different sources. There's a lot of self study and work to be done. 

    Amen

    and that spiritual rejuvenation starts with self respect and taking control of your sexual will

  21. Posted

    @Pookie

    8 minutes ago, Pookie said:

    I thought it was pretty self-evident enough not to require an explanation, but fine. 

    You're the one saying by the title of this post that MBTI is for smart people, but then you go on about how the majority of those who subscribe to MBTI are "probably a bunch of mediocre dickheads" who take their MBTI results too seriously and deserve to be suckered into forking their money for the next hot and updated MBTI test. 

     

    I never called them dickheads, I said the average person is mediocre, and I large percentage of people are dickheads

    My point was that MBTI won’t tell you that, it’s not going to tell you that you are a bad person, that you won’t fork over money

    It not hot update, it’s fun, like astrology, not something people really take seriously, but what I meant as I put in the previous comment to yours

    20 minutes ago, IJB063 said:

    @Pookie

    Unless what you’re saying is that MBTI isn’t for smart people, I should’ve phrased it as MBTI is Astrology for smarter people than those who believe in astrology, MBTI is one step up in calibre 

    Is MBTI is for people who not dumb enough to fall for astrology, but still dumb enough to fall for MBTI 

    @Serotoninluv

    5 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

    Lots of ESFJ going on here ? 

    Translation 

    Lots of stupid going on here 

  22. Posted

    @zeroISinfinity

    5 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

    Well I done this things when I was younger. Still do them to some extent but mostly to prepare fertile ground. Also I do enjoy doing this things. Now things changed a lot then I was just chimp in Universe exploring. 

    Man are not manipulative, woman are. Men are mostly very naive. Man connect and care about relationship not woman. Ofcourse this is generalization but it is mostly true. 

     

    Why bother with the preface of I did these things when I was younger, followed by I still do them now 

    Reminds me of that Mitch Hedberg joke

    ”I used to do drugs, I still do but I used to too”

    6 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

    prepare fertile ground

    What does that even mean?

    6 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

    Also I do enjoy doing this things

    These things are manipulative, if manipulation is for woman you are behaving like a woman

     

  25. Posted

    @JessiChell

    On 18/06/2020 at 5:04 AM, JessiChell said:

    @Rolo doesnt shame turn you on? 

    It feels great to feel disgusted with yourself.

    Surrender to that. Love that disgust and shameful feeling you have. It's a part of you. 

    Also, eroticising your own shame and disgust is disgusting 

    You shame and disgust is conscience 

    What you’re doing is avoiding and corrupting the very conscience and aspect of you that regulates you to be a better man and act in a better way

    If you destroy that very instinct of repulsion and shame than you have literal carte blaunche to do anything

    Getting turned on by shame is an example of a broken mind

    You could not have a functioning mind and be aroused by your own failings

     Things like cuckold porn etc... are complete example of the eroticising of ones own failures, no healthy person would be aroused by that because it goes against the very reason with have a sexuality 

    @Rolo

    In seriousness don’t listen to advice like that

    On 15/06/2020 at 11:32 AM, hamedsf said:

    you might have limiting belief about sex and your mind don't want to express itself sexually!

    What exactly is being limited here, depravity  

    Rolo all addiction should be overcome 

    On 16/06/2020 at 1:38 AM, Rolo said:

    natrual process has been hijacked from porn addiction which i feel alot of shame about :(.

    You shouldn’t need anything or anyone to be happy

    Take control back over your sexuality, don’t sink deeper into your addiction to cure it, take a step back and exercise some asceticism

    I made a post on this that might help you

    Good luck