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  2. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    It’s funny I was just talking about this with Lord Leo himself, about conscious people not having kids

    38 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

    What do you think guys? it seems the more conscious a human being the less he is  likely to have children. 

    would we stop having children, maybe in a thousand or ten thousand years?

    3 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

    The world needs consciously parented children who can go on to create a world that's really worth living in

    Well that’s what’s happening, the more “conscious” a person is the less likely they are to have children and do all the things you listed, and the more likely they are to trot out muh “overpopulation”.

     

  3. Posted

    1 minute ago, commie said:

    And when will "we" stop being human?

    I don’t fucking know, when we mutate and evolve, probably 1000s of year time, depending on what environment we find ourselves in

    2 minutes ago, commie said:

    Any way to measure how "conscious" people are?

    Sure, the world values survey

    Spiral dynamics 

    Though it’s all in a sense abstract and relative, purely down to subjective taste but what isn’t?

     

  5. Posted

    @commie

    2 minutes ago, commie said:

    what is meant by "we"?

    Human beings

    2 minutes ago, commie said:

    Gotta be careful with correlations. It could also be that the fewer children people are, the more "conscious" they tend to be.

    Any evidence for that?

    3 minutes ago, commie said:

    In any case, having fewer children on average is a very different dynamic from having none at all.

    Fucking ain’t going out of style

    Its just about whose fucking, whose having the kids

     

    Look at the 1960s

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  7. Posted

    @Eren Eeager

    The two best predictors shown to having children are 

    1# Stupidity

    2# Religiosity

    It is proven that the higher a persons iq, the less likely they are to have children

    The more rational and caring a person is the more they contemplate the ramifications of bringing another human being into this world and burdening them with existence

    The stupider they are the less likely they’re to care, the more likely they are to be impulsive and the less like they’re to take precautions such as contraceptives 

    Before contraceptives were invented the intelligent, civil and hardworking people actually had children 

    Now we’re stuck in a system of dysgenics

    Just look at the people who have children in the west

    1# Single mums

    That are so stupid and impulsive that to say that they could perform the basic calculations that having children = more welfare I put beyond them

    2# Good Citizen

    Who has children because that’s what you’re supposed to do in life, that’s what society or the church says, they have a child like they buy a new house, car or get the wife, just a check list of stupid shit that has no really consideration

    7 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

    would we stop having children, maybe in a thousand or ten thousand years?

    If we stopped having children we would die out

    I just hope we hurdle quickly towards the Huxlian dystopia of the artificial womb

    Because 99% of people shouldn’t breed

  8. Posted

    @louhad

    2 minutes ago, louhad said:

    yeah sure... without government enforcing subjective standards though,

    Who is to stop corporations from putting literal poison in infant formula?

    Who is to stop monopolies from being formed?

    Who is to stop price gauging for life saving medication?

    who is to stop Leo from kidnapping your kids? lol

     

    Also, I thought your phone was on 1%... I would like some hearty libertarian answers to the problems I addressed earlier. 

    Don’t you worry bud I will, my phone is on low and it’s currently charging but my charger is messed up so I have to hold it as it in place as itcharges

    its currently 11:48pm in Britain so I’m  calling it quits until tomorrow 

     

  10. Posted

    @louhad

    28 minutes ago, louhad said:

     

    An animal is only as free as its relative position on the food chain allows them to be. 

    The point I was making is Leo uses a different definition of freedom from what libertarians use in this video, he takes the definition of freedom to an absurd and philosophical place that no libertarian argues for

    No libertarian believes in transcending the mortal material realm 

    What libertarians believe in is in the fucking name

    Liberty 

    the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behaviour, or political views.

    It’s not freedom from the material restraints of reality

    Its freedom from the mob, the group, the pitchfork torch waving white eyed peon masses, freedom from the jack boots and the kings

    You can’t be free from metaphysics or your own nature otherwise what would be the point of politics

    Thats all we want

  11. Posted

    @Gidiot

    28 minutes ago, Gidiot said:

    “You don’t owe this world anything and this world doesn’t owe you anything. “

    That sounds nice to say but as Sadhguru would say half of your lungs are up in the trees. 
     

    We actually need bees and other species of animals and plants to exist to survive, we do at least owe them proliferation. 
     

    the fuck everyone but myself attitude has been tried by every 16 year old ever and it usually fails.

     

    29 minutes ago, Gidiot said:

    That sounds nice to say but as Sadhguru would say half of your lungs are up in the trees. 

    I like that quote

    Still doesn’t take away from the fact that you’re not entitled to it just because you need it 

    29 minutes ago, Gidiot said:

    the fuck everyone but myself attitude has been

    Yeah of course that attitude fails, what I said and this are two different things, people won’t associate with you or help you in a free society if you tell them to go fuck themselves 

    obviously 

    you can only get away with that when you force people to do business or help you, or bail you out of your mistakes 

  12. Posted

    @Extreme Z7

    1 minute ago, Extreme Z7 said:

    we need a higher authority to arbitrate between right and wrong because the Libertarian alternative is too just let people fight each other in the streets.

    That higher authority is even more subject to human biases 

    Look at history and government, look at whose in charge of these governments, the higher authority, the Czars, kings, dictators, fuhrers

    You can’t escape your nature

  13. Posted

    @louhad

    4 minutes ago, louhad said:

    @IJB063 Here is what lassez faire does:

    2 people own more wealth than the bottom 50% of people in america.

    Amazon pays 0 dollars in taxes. 

    In america, the richest country on earth, we have people dying due to not having access to health care. it costs $3000 to call an ambulance. Drug price inflation is sky high.

    We neglect maintaining our infrastructure... it is crumbling all across the country since the Reagan tax cut precedent. 

    We have severe k-12 educational inequality. Also, college costs an arm and a leg. People who go to it are typically debt slaves.

     

     

    My phones on 1% I’ll respond to this tomorrow

  14. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    @Leo Gura

    12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Libertarians.

    Hey brother

    You yourself said at 14:30 that when you were younger 14-18 that you too were a libertarian, I’m 19. Maybe I haven’t been through the same development yet but I’m trying

    When you were describing why you were a libertarian I agreed and resonated completely 

    All I believe in is live and let live 

    And you do that by living people alone and not fucking with them, it’s none of your business
     

     

  16. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    @louhad

    4 minutes ago, louhad said:

    lol

    lol I see your point

    The two points are separate, they shouldn’t follow each other

    I should of put an additional space between them, which I’ll do now 

    Legitimate question

    Is there a single country that is mostly economically unfree that you would want to live in?

  18. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Yeah, because you're part of a COMMUNITY, you self-centered fuck.

    Everyone is self-centered, there are people who are willing to admit it and others who are lying to themselves 

    11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    This test has already been run. It's called: the last 10,000 years of human history.

    Conclusion: You lost.

    I disagree

    I say history is on the libertarians side 

     

    Look at the economic freedom index 

    Every country that is lassiez faire and respects the individuals rights succeeds 

    And every group that doesn’t fails

    Power to the individual ✊

  19. Posted · Edited by IJB063

    @Leo Gura

    The dodo birds are the true kings of the animal kingdom 

    They’re not extinct they are just in hiding, waiting and biding their time before they strike and take over

    11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    enslave your children.

    Lol you sound like Moloch

    11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    If libertarians were left on their own

    All libertarians want is to be left on our own but you won’t leave us the fuck alone

    In seriousness I wish we could test you hypothesis let’s take a group of average libertarians and put them up against your average American voter and let’s see who’d win the battle of group selection

     

     

    Damn reading my quote proves I need to proof read more, I put over instead of other lol

  21. Posted

    Just now, Leo Gura said:

    Ideology and survival always serve each other. The function of ideology is survival of the self.

    Everything is survival, thoughts and abstractions are just a hijacking of the primordial need to cooperate with our fellow ape 

    Everything, and especially the social casuistry in which we exist is built around the furtherance of our collective biological primitive survival interest, and it never stops and always wants more

  23. Posted

    Part Five


    8:10

    6# Monopoly of Force 

    Leo talks about the government control who can and can’t be violent. And that libertarian see the use of force as inherently as immoral, and that they’re inherently moralistic.

    I disagree, use of force/violence is only inherently immoral when it’s not justified, it’s not justified when someone alienable individual human rights are violated.

    I think Leo in part is conflating anarchist and libertarian with this point, because most libertarian believe that government does have a right to exist. And that it’s purpose is to maintain a military, we too have a collective ability to protect ourselves. Second, to defend people’s inalienable rights and to prevent harm coming to them, though for the most part people, (government are just people, it’s not a magical deity) are so inept that government is so inefficient it tends to do more harm than any gang, cartel or mafia, as Leo mentions by bringing up Brazil, Russia and China etc... 

    The reason I support government being in control of the military, courts and police is because some form of organisation is going to prop up and take these things over regardless of what I say. Might as well skip a step and accept that. If we privatised these three things however ran them would be the functional government, so might as well make them public. So yes there are some goods and services that need to be collectivised for the good of society. 

    Libertarian aren’t anarchists.



     

  24. Posted

    Part Four 

    5# Individualism is good and collectivism is bad

    The rights of the minority vs the rights of the majority.

    Leos points are interpretation of the libertarian thought on this is...

    “I shouldn’t have to give way to the collective, in so far as I have to it’s wrong, an infringement on my freedoms. Whose to tell me that I’m supposed to sacrifice for some collective, we’re all just individuals” - Libertarian 

    The idea is alienable human rights, I know Leo covers this later on and I’ll get to that in a bit. But you don’t have the freedom to oppress, I’ll explain why in a bit, it’s in my notes.

    You want a society that operates at maximum efficiency we’re you rights as an individual are protected and align as close as possible with the rights of everyone else, if you want to succeed in life you will have to sacrifice for the collective, you don’t have the right to not sacrifice, that’s what a communist would believe. I can sit on my arse and just give me money for existing and contributing anything to the community, in a libertarian society you have to contribute to succeed and in so far as you contribute you rise, is so far as your parasitical or a devil you fall.

    Leo goes on to talk about the free market, and how libertarian sees this as the solution to all problems. I don’t believe it is, some regulation is required in so far as complete freedom violates rights. 

    You don’t owe this world anything and this world doesn’t owe you anything. 

  25. Posted

    Oh shit, I just realised you meant “on the fly”, I thought you were talking about being a fly on the wall, dunno why, just the way I read it

    9 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

    But anyway carry on. Won't disturb your train of thought.

    Good, leave me to contemplate peasant