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    @Faceless This is something I don't exactly know what it is, and I won't pretend to understand it. I understand pleasure seeking mechanics and the memory/thoughts, but understanding the actuality of the fact  (or escape) is something I don't know. I know I can't understand it in duality, and I think you know what I mean when I say understand.

    I can't understand it with thoughts, so I need to work on it existentially. Can't verbally communicate this either

    but it's a strong insight, I will do some more work. Thank you

    5 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

    Pleasure means being unconscious. Consciousness brings non-attachment to pleasures. 

    One person may find pleasure in eating non-vegetarian food, other may vomit at the sight of it. Pleasure is psychological.

    So I shouldn't be worried about being stuck, which is why I made this post. As long as I am conscious of the attachment and pleasure. Thank you

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    15 minutes ago, Faceless said:

    Example...

    I have had some experience of a drug which gave ‘me’ great satisfaction. After that experience ends I want it again because the memory of that experience of gratification has arisen. So I then seek the remeberance of that experience. This is how pleasure is born. 

    I know what you're exactly talking about. I've done this observation before. It happens to me with food. So "I" love eating junk food when watching movies at night, sort of a tradition of mine . When I get the food at the supermarket, I get excited, but then I put awareness on this excitement and it's just as you have said. I re-experience the experience of me enjoying my fatass watching Netflix, and the pleasure from it.

    Then... When I actually do the eating and watching, it is never like the previous experience. When I finish, I get realisation of "well, that wasn't as good as last time". To be honest, it's more now like "why did I do that?" 

    I get excited, then disappointed, I don't know where this disappointment comes from though, and I don't think it's not from the previous experience or memory, it's something deeper, but I become extremely aware of it.

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    2 minutes ago, Faceless said:

    If there is an awarness of this pleasure you will see the danger in it, and stay away. If you don’t see ‘as a fact’ the danger you will get caught in it. 

    3 minutes ago, SFRL said:

    I think there are quite a few people on this forum being stuck on it. 

    Buy you are aware of it. So I think you got a good change to not get stuck. 

    I mean shit you can get stuck on other shit like drugs or alcohol. Or pussy like me. 

    That is true, I do have awareness. So this pleasure can be considered as an addiction like drugs? Is it worth doing some work on addictions as well?

     

     

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    36 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    I dont understand this whole "I have to avoid pleasure" attitude in spiritual communities. The Buddha addressed this to his former colleges/renunciates. 

    Live in the moment, experience beauty as it comes in its many forms and stay unattached.

    I understand what you've said and coming from, and I agree with you.

    It's not really that I'm trying to resist the pleasure, I'm not, it's more about will I get addicted to this pleasure? And when I say addicted, it's not about this addiction not benefiting me but making me stuck

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    5 minutes ago, Faceless said:

    @B_Naz do you see pleasure as desire pursuing any particular object? 

    Not really. I don't even know why I'm pursuing in self-actualisation or any of this work. I don't want anything fixed in my life, I don't want pleasure. It use to be like that I guess until understanding a little bit more about duality and other concepts but now... It's just whatever, I'm doing it for no particular reason.

    By the way, I'm not depressed or anything. I don't resist the pleasure or anything like that. I don't encourage this as well, this is just my personal journey. 

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    2 minutes ago, SFRL said:

    Is it pleasurable to have this forum discussion about pursuing pleasure? 

    No, I fucking hate this. I'm not trying to pursue pleasure, that's the entire point ;( But I'm getting this pleasure from understanding duality and I don't know what to do with it. At the same time, I don't want to reject it because it's valuable observation but then, will I get addicted to this state? 

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    36 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

    You will still be a human being with a human mind, but you will no longer believe that this human being is your real identity.

    The goal is to be free to act (your body mind is acting anyway) without you getting in your own way. 

    I like this a lot. It's one of the insights I've recieved when meditating but I never accounted for the psychological "states" that occure, only the momentarily emotions.

    45 minutes ago, Anna1 said:

    Let what comes come and let what goes go, all else is insanity. Another words, don't "reject or grasp" a pleasurable or painful experience. 

    Yeah, I'm going I accept it. There is no use in rejecting but I feel like I will be addicted to the state :( 

    49 minutes ago, Faceless said:

    The moment you move dualistically as above, 

    it becomes an escape psychologically seeking pleasure to find security. 

    So that's where my problem is coming from, I feel like I am receiving pleasure from the  work to understand duality. I do get pleasures and security from it when I don't seek or want it . I observe it of course, and see how I'm receiving pleasure from being at peace. But then Is this peace false? 

    10 minutes ago, Faceless said:

    . To get caught up in merely understanding nondual abstractions implies duality itself. One must see much deeper than that. 

    I'm not really trying to understand or get caught up with this work, It's more about that I am receiving this pleasure from being "peace". What do I do with this?

    7 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

    @B_Naz Here is an exercise. For 20 minutes stay in the emptiness and from the emptiness identify all the states you see happening. 

    Thank you, I will have to give this a go, this is something needs exploring

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    @cetus56 @Etagnwo

    So this peace/comfortable is still a state, and being non-dual is still a state, meaning the goal is to not be in any of these states. At the same time, not having a goal either... I understand this can't be verbally communicated.

    So letting your mind be free is being in no-state. That's something I didn't think of.

    So what should I do with my current situation, how do I accept this comfort and peace? I want to be careful when these pleasing emotions/states occur because If I accept them and let them be which is what I do with all things, I could be attached/addicted to them

    I feel like if I accept them, I can't get out of them.

  17. Posted

    As I'm working on  the non-duality route, I find myself with emotions and certain thoughts that create pleasure. Non-duality should not be an escape for the psychological mind to create security and pleasure, but I can't help myself be at peace everyday as I go deeper into this thinking.

    Difference between being at peace and pleasure? Isn't being at peace also pleasurable?

    Any tips to stop being attached to non-duality? 

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    5 minutes ago, Moreira said:

    I've always been addicted videogames. Played like 6 hours a day. Then I found a 8-6 job, and had to quit the addiction inmediately. After work i go to the gym, by the time I arrive at home I'm so tired that I've got no time to waste in vidyagames. My rest is now more important.

    This is valuable. Finding a hobby or something else instead of gaming is a good way to distract yourself. Getting a job is better because you're literally forced to focus on it rather than playing videogames. Going to the gym is great as well since you'll get too tired for gaming

  19. Posted · Edited by B_Naz

    I say gradual. Just keep playing but play with awareness. Realise what the fuck you're doing, Observe the effect it has on you. For example, when you play, does it make you sad or happy? Angry or stress-free?, Whatever feelings comes up, observe it, observe the pleasure that comes, but don't judge it as bad or good, just observe and don't resist.

    You have plenty of time to remove the addiction and I find gradual is less painful... So don't feel guilty when playing

    But if you're hardcore as fuck, then DELETE everything like the others said. 

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    1 hour ago, Patang said:

    the question is who is experiencing that experience?  

    The human is experiencing it.

    It's nice to say that everything is an illusion, but an illusion doesn't mean it's nothing. It is something, but we don't know what it is because we don't know what existence is.

    Nobody is experiencing the "experience", it's just the memory of the brain creating the illusion. There was nobody in the first place but the human, the human which is not you

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    13 minutes ago, blazed said:

    The things people value today, jesus christ society, such a sheepherd. Just convince people to be interested in Turd and you'll make millions selling your turd.

     

    This is basically Twitch.tv. Went from casual gaming streams to drama and personalities. Very competitive and toxic area in my opinion and would avoid

  23. Posted

    5 hours ago, Outer said:

    But there is the risk that you'll mindlessly just gain dopamine from any game. If you go into it consciously it can be different, as a form of practice.

    You'll probably do this. I don't play a game for self-improvement but for fun. Doesn't mean you should stop playing games, as games can help release tension but don't use it for spiritual practice. There are better practices to do to become more conscious.

    Sure the game makes you concentrate hard, but that doesn't mean shit. You can concentrate on an exam, driving, gym, reading, pretty much anything. Concentrate is in these terms are different to the concentration you're doing with spiritual practices. Spiritual practices include a variety of concentrations like no thinking, or letting go, or awareness, mindfulness. I don't see how you can get awareness of your thoughts in a game where you're being aware in the game rather than on yourself.

    Hey I might be wrong... Explore for yourself but watch out for traps

  24. Posted · Edited by B_Naz

    Firstly, I try avoid teaching people, I only give my opinions. I can't teach people because I don't actually know shit. I think it would take me more than 20 years to actually teach somebody these topics. That's just my view, don't teach unless you actually know your shit.

    Also, when we talk about self-actualisation, we can go into really deep and existential topics that can cause further damage to someone. So be sensitive to their feelings/mindset. It can be extremely scary and that's why I avoid it. Only show the way

    This leads to "don't teach people but show the way". The best teacher is yourself so show and introduce these topics, don't enforce it onto them

    Now i'm not accusing you of being stupid or anything, but it's important to recongise your limits so you can go beyond them. Just don't teach people anything, as it can be understood in the wrong way.

    But if somebody is actually asking for help from you, show the way, don't teach them it.