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  1. I haven't visited here much, but Leo was talking about something about crossing and taking everyone with him (which I already knew because when I was more active on here he talked about that)

    So I feel like sharing my experience on 6 grams of woodlovers called Psilocybe subaeruginosa, in Australia these are known as very dark versions of golden teachers. I'm especially sensitive to psychedelics (suprisingly hahaha, I use to think the opposite) so a dose tends to be 1.5-2x stronger.

    I am curious if @Leo Gura is talking about this experience, and if he isn't then WTF is he talking about. I'd be curious to know where this experience sits on the cone. I don't know how you go deeper then this, but if you can great.

    So heres my trip:

    So I had 2-3 trips of these subs beforehand, if you take psyches properly, they get more intense the more you take them, thats because they start getting really serious with you.

    So this was my 3rd or 4th trip with them and I took 6 grams dried.

    This experience happened after having "permanent" sober awakenings like no self realization and all the other stuff. So its beyond just being in a state of oneness.

    So I took the subs at 9am (I picked them from the ground so was a bit worried about eating posionous ones, but thats part of the fun, if you aren't willing to permanently physically die for truth then it aint for you IMO, sorry, will have that stance till the day i really do die hahahaha), and felt really shit as you do on big doses of mushrooms, felt like i was about to physically die and go to the hospital because ive just eaten some poisonous ones, felt horrible for letting my family down because they told me psyches were bad and they were right in the end, blabalbalbalba

    I had visions of being in the hospital for a period of time that felt like years but it would of been only 20 minutes, my flatmate looked worried and she monitored me for nausea symptoms, then left and went to the shops. I saw machine elves but they dissolved pretty quickly.

    Unexplainable hell endured, I went through every possible fear I could imagine. Everything from going to jail from taking this shit to never falling in love to regretting things, to letting my family down, contemplated the possibility of being "stuck" in an eternal hell of nothingness devoid of love forever, even contemplated the possibility that love was made up, which is possible on these high doses even if love is the greatest truth of all, its possible to enter those states its absolutely amazing.

    Then I checked the time and it was 3pm and I was like yes its nearly over. I stayed in my room because I have anxiety of talking to people on trips because i secretly feel bad for taking them, like I'm willing to physically die for the truth, but my family and everyone in hell, and that feels a bit shitty to me, but i have to do it anyway so i try and keep away from people while tripping, also dont wanna get locked up.

    Then I was like, wait what was i even going through, I totally forgot, wait what even is a poisonous mushroom, totally couldnt comprehend it, was so confused. Then I was like what in the actual fuck is "death", what the fuck was i worried about, I can't even remember.

    What day is it today? Checked the day and it was "suuuundayyy" what in the fuck is that.

    then i checked the time and it was 10am, and I was like, wait did I make that entire trip up in my head and it never happened.

    So then I waited for my flatmate to come home, but she didn't. So I mustered up the courage to walk outside my room, and she wasn't there (she's my ex, and we have a deep platonic connection) and not only that, but all of her photos on the wall were gone.

    I went wait this is really weird, she's not hanging on the wall, I looked at my phone and she was there in what'sapp but I totally forgot who she was. And I had this sense that I completely made her up.

    I thought about my mum, and I thought wait did I make her completely up too.

    I looked around the room, it was 10am (I had memories of it being 3pm and coming out of the trip)... and it was 10am and stuck at 10am. I was walking around my apartment, looking at everything, and the 10am didn't change.

    And not only that, but I totally became conscious that the entire past didn't happen, and that I didn't actually take any mushrooms. (No joke i really didn't), and I thought, wait if i didn't take any mushrooms, of fuck no that means im high forever, I've got this massive body load and im in this state forever.

    I had this sense that I was in my room, walking out of my room on repeat. As soon as I walked out of my room, I opened my eyes and i was in my room again, and walked out of it again. And every time, the mushrooms were telling me, there's nothing to fear, no one exists.

    I tried making the 10am clock go forward, and everytime i tried i just couldn't do it. And I remember thing, omg i can't move it forward because ive completely forgotten death, and i know something which prevents me from moving the clock forward and for my flatmate to be real. Oh no what have i done ive just broken consciousness.

    But then it got worse, because its not that i broke consciousness, its that consciousness was always like this, and my entire life, literally all of it, was constructed by me walking into my room and getting lost in a thought story... fucken hell all of my family, friends, spiritual path, infinite love enlightenment, jeeeeeeeeze that was all a thought story that i got lost in(for a few minutes hahaha).

    I went please no, please not this can't be real, i miss my life, i miss my friends, i miss my journey. And there was no controller so even if i tried i couldn't because consciousness was completely in control.

    I oscillated in an eternal loop between trying to manifest all of my friends and especially my flatmate, then realizing i couldn't because i wasn't in control and I knew that there's no death. So i tried, realized i couldn't, tried again, realized i couldn't, on and on and on.

    Then i realized (and this fucken hurt) that all my goals were impossible to achieve, because i couldn't understand any of my goals. Its impossible to understand your goals, because "singularity" and that you just pretend to understand your goals because thats the only way to make duality happen.

    I realized that i couldn't pinpoint what exactly I liked about sex, its just movements, but what is it about those movements that I like, I couldn't figure it out. Then i had to realize that there's nothing in sex, at all. That fucken hurt.

    And same with enlightenment and everything else.

    Then finally i accepted it, "alright, I'm god, that entire life was simply a few minutes of me in my room getting lost in a thought story, and none of it is real, ok i gotta man up, take responsibility for my consciousness and make something of this"

    So I got rice from my fridge, and threw it all over the floor. Next i put a massive dent in my wall, not like anyone's gonna notice, because all there is, is me.

    Next i went onto my balcony, and looked at the world like it was inception(the movie) my hair was blowing in the wind like leonardo dicaprio, I clinged onto the balcony fence hard like a monkey and wondered "what would happen if I jumped off, should I try? This is afterall my world, I can do whatever the fuck i want, and no one is around to stop me" I got the rest of my subs chewed em, and spat them all over the fence of my balcony. Chuckling to myself "hahahah what an illusion, that these things make you high, im high all the time and those subs(mushrooms) do nothing"

    Then last minute "nah wont jump off the balcony, that's boring"

    I felt suffering for not having a flatmate and for realizing my crush was imaginary. I saw how she was empty, hollow, literally like a rock. She was still, not there, her personality wasn't there, made it entirely up. I EVEN MADE UP THAT IM STRUGGLING WITH WOMEN, OH ITS WORSE THEN STRUGGLING, THEY ARENT EVEN FUCKEN THERE. HOW CAN I GET BETTER WITH WOMEN IF THEY ARENT EVEN THERE, FUCK THE STRUGGLING IS DISTRACTING ME FROM THE FACT THAT ILL NEVER ACHIEVE GETTING A WOMEN BECAUSE SHE AINT THERE. FUCK.

    As god, you gotta man up and take responsibility for it, who else will do it hahahahaahhahahahahahhaha.

    I messaged her and admitted that i liked her, because she aint real anyway.

    So I thought, well as im god i have to create a crush, so i went to my phone, and looked at her profile and all of her messages, as a way of my creating her. Then I checked all of my flatmate's messages, as a way of recreating her.

    And I wondered to myself, how the fuck am i ever gonna come back from this, i know too much hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahha

    (very crazy madness laugh wahahahahahahahahahahheheheehehhohohohohoho)

    yeah of course, its impossible to come back from this stupid.

    And then it dawned on me, its time to live a life where i know that im god and everything is made up. Enough thought stories in my room, dreaming up all that crap, time to just live knowing that they are completely hollow and made by me.

    I even thought about my gay friend, and I literally took on his voice and acted like him, embodied him, because i made him up so i could, he's asian, and i looked in the mirror, and i was acting exactly like an asian gay dude OF COURSE IM GOD I CAN DO THAT.

    So as i was recreating everything (while stepping in all the brown rice on the ground) i tried to put my hand through the wall, and i couldn't, i thought why the fuck can't i, this is stupid im god i can do anything.

    Then i started contemplating, well wait what if my belief of what god is, is wrong.

    Then i got this grand sense of a super computer, and that consciousness was a super computer.

    Then this super computer started creating my flatmate's aura, my crush's aura. Then it started creating the aura or subtle body of my body, and i was just going woooooow wooooooow woooooow wooooow

    I was there watching it create the auras/subtle bodies of everything, just watching it in shock, time was moving forward because of this aura

    I was there going wooow wooow wooow sitting on the couch and as i was doing that my flatmate walked in and went "WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED HERE!!!! YOU PUT A HOLE IN THE WALL, OMG YOU RIPPED UP MY BOOK, OMG"

    and i was like, wait, but you're imaginary, you don't exist

    she still screaming " I CANT BELIEVE YOU DID THIS"

    in my head im thinking "mushrooms, this aint fair, i cant believe you did this to me"

    But the bigger question i was thinking, how the actual fuck did i come back from an experience like that. That blew my mind. And nothing was the same after that trip, it was a humongous awakening, far bigger then whatever you've read about.

     

    The interesting thing is, I have so much balls, that I decided to try that stunt again, in a months time, this time with 3-4 grams of subs, but lemon teked. And let me tell you, I went to the same solopsis place of omg im all alone and my life is just my in my room doing a thought story, but i remembered, this happened before, it'll happen again, you'll come back, and lo and behold, here i am typing.

    What happened in that second trip was a trillion times deeper then what you've read above. It makes what ive written above seem like 5 seconds of meditation

    I can't explain all of it, but some bits of it were:

    1. I started actually having delirium level hallucinations, like datura. I saw my parents come into my apartment, and after the trip they actually didnt, it was impossible to tell that it was a hallucination. Like datura. It happened in several occasions including i was watching a yoga video to ground myself, and another teacher came in and interrupted the lesson, after the trip i replayed the video and none of that happened.

    2. I saw myself from a 3rd person perspective, and was controlling my body from a 3rd person perspective. I was literally stuck in time again, this this time it was a lot harder to make the clock move forward. Had to do a lot of stunts to get there, the mushrooms really challenged me. I had to watch myself walk backwards to make the time rewind backwards so that i could make it go forward again.

    3. half of my phone chopped off as i was looking at the time, like a video game having rendering issues, half the phone was gone and i saw all the components inside it, after the trip there was no cracks to my phone.

    4. I got stuck in an alternative universe for a while, when the trip ended the first time, my dad was dead, and died ages ago, that freaked me the fuck out, somehow i got back to this universe where my dad wasn't dead.

    and much much more.... after that trip i realized that consciousness goes deeper and deeper and there's no end.

    So Leo, this isn't the pinnacle? This isn't beyond the pinnacle?


  2. @Leo Gura you're not in control of your dream though, there's no controller. Does reaching a point make any sense in the context of there being no controller. This very ayahuasca like idea that you're becoming and progressing, does that idea make any sense when there's no controller.

    And yes, self/other is imaginary, but imaginary is still real. The pinnacle of the cone cannot exist without its base, and vice versa. This YOU, its not Leo, its me too. Its all of us. You can't collapse all of us(forever), because you aint in control. And we do exist, all of us exist, we are just imaginary. We exist as much as Leo/you exist. There's no hierarchy where your POV is more real them mine. Where Leo is more real then us. Its not true to say that your POV is the only POV that exists.

    I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I have crossed something which sounds exactly like what you're talking about. Did it on 13 grams of dried shrooms, then did it again but deeper on 8 grams of dried shrooms lemon teked. I'm still here though. You're still here, all the people are still here. I don't even think its possible to erase the cone, heck i dont think its possible to reincarnate into another form this way.

    I personally don't take the stance that there are others out there with their own POV, but i also don't take the stance that I am the only one that exists. I am the only one that exists is implying to me that you reckon the base doesn't exist and all there is, is the pinnacle. I take the stance that we are the only thing that exists, that stance recognises that you can experience both the base and the pinnacle, but you can't have 1 without the other.


  3. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/scott-morrison-fathers-day-sydney-canberra-hold-the-hose/100441258

    A good articulation of how the ego is your biggest obstacle to enlightenment and achieving your dreams... with a fun twist that its written by a normie news corporation.

    Of course the news corporation hasn't noticed yet that they themselves are falling for the same trap.


  4. 22 hours ago, Michael569 said:

    Get your tomato sauce in glass bottles and cook your beans from dry :)

    *thumbs up*

    21 hours ago, mandyjw said:

    Your best value is frozen vegetables for maintaining nutrients and being cost effective.

    You fricken genius

    21 hours ago, mandyjw said:

    Truly fresh food has a vibrational, reviving energetic kick to it, if you're sensitive to it. 

    I'm only sensitive to shit food and insults.


  5. What's the consensus about heavy metal toxicity and canned foods. There's clearly some research showing that canned foods are significantly toxic: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/consumer-group-says-canned-foods-still-contain-dangerous-chemical

    what I want to know more about though is are all cans bad equal? Is every can from every company bad for you? Or just some companies?

    I wanna know how toxic it would be for me to live off these: https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/700642?googleshop=true&store_code=woolworths_supermarkets_1351&cq_src=GOOGLE&cq_cmp=Woolies_8458_BAU_Shopping_LIA_F%26B Fresh_WW-0001&cq_con=Pantry&cq_term=PRODUCT_GROUP&cq_net=g&cq_plt=gp&cq_med=71700000084970415&cq_gclid=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D3PR1Su63rxqoiB1_eEvuK1ndXuFf_RTKEPBGGOqgXij9vbAi9Td0UaAp7bEALw_wcB&cmpid=smsm:ds:GOOGLE:Woolies_8458_BAU_Shopping_LIA_F%26B Fresh_WW-0001:PRODUCT_GROUP&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D3PR1Su63rxqoiB1_eEvuK1ndXuFf_RTKEPBGGOqgXij9vbAi9Td0UaAp7bEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    and these: https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/663584?googleshop=true&store_code=woolworths_supermarkets_1107&cq_src=GOOGLE&cq_cmp=Woolies_8458_BAU_Shopping_LIA_F%26B Everything Else_WW-0001&cq_con=Food %26 Beverages&cq_term=PRODUCT_GROUP&cq_net=g&cq_plt=gp&cq_med=71700000072477841&cq_gclid=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D3-Yu1BJSumttTzqh31XY9wiNUoxxea9JZLrNJmmvKD-Hd92sSUZv0aAidCEALw_wcB&cmpid=smsm:ds:GOOGLE:Woolies_8458_BAU_Shopping_LIA_F%26B Everything Else_WW-0001:PRODUCT_GROUP&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D3-Yu1BJSumttTzqh31XY9wiNUoxxea9JZLrNJmmvKD-Hd92sSUZv0aAidCEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    They are extremely cheap for healthy, organic food. Much cheaper then off the shelf organic vegetables and even cheaper then off the shelf non organic vegetables.

    However im worried about the toxicity because they are in cans. Man would be best of both worlds if you could get cheap, organic food, but maybe its too good to be true.


  6. thanks other posters

    12 minutes ago, Consilience said:

    Shinzen Young’s See Hear Feel technique is really unique when it comes to how he presents concentration. 
     

    Long story short, concentration =\= attention stability, however attention stability can be a feature of concentration.

    The beauty of noting meditation is one can get into a state of shamatha without stabilizing attention on a single object. Instead, momentary concentration doesn't disrupt the natural rhythms and flow of attention, or activity of mind but still facilitates the benefits of mindfulness. We learn to ride the wave of this field of flux rather manipulating it. 

    Id also highly highly highly recommend Rob Burbea’s jhana retreat. There are certainly benefits to attention stability such as deep jhana work. 

    excellent, awesome stuff, especially the concentration isn't directly attention stability.

    What's the difference between watching content about Rob Burbeas jhana retreat and actually going there and doing a real retreat. If you've been to one. How valuable is it compared simply to content, what can you get out of going to an actual retreat of his that you just can't emulate at home?


  7. The biggest challenges I have with concentration is, whenever i try and practice it, or get good at it, it feels disruptive, like its disrupting the flow of consciousness. Such disruptions are just not sustainable over a long period of time. The disruptions will eventually build up and put off your focus.

    I have also tried to just push through the disruptions, but unfortunately my brain is a bit right brainy, and works a hell of a lot better with systems that "go with the flow", "work with instead of against", more loving and compassionate in nature. It likes and works a lot better with holism rather than specialized pushing throughness.

    I need help getting more in touch with building awareness around how attention flows to different subjects of interest, and how to control it or influence it in a more loving sort of way. The end goal here is having the relevant training to influence to a certain degree, with master, of guiding or influencing awareness so that it focuses on things which bring me a high level of resonance, rather than focusing on a number of things, where a big chunk of those don't bring much resonance.

    I've tried do nothing and mindfulness meditation, and those tools are great, and I've done a heap of that, but those tools focus on alternative goals. I'm looking for systems and teachings which focus specifically on making concentration razor sharp, without the practice needing to be necessarily horrible.


  8. @RendHeaven what you're talking about is charisma, not game. You dont need any game, just the charisma on command course by your logic :P

    You can spend years just learning to master different types of social calibration. Maybe people on here just arent as into game as I am? If they dont care about mastering such minute details.

    Thanks! Shame Luke's videos have been taken off the internet.

     


  9. 1 hour ago, Kamo said:

    @electroBeam

    @electroBeam Yeah I think I see where your getting stuck at. Okay so you wanna try an learn to go "meta". Ill do my best to articulate this. Its like you observe within your mind from a place right before an "identification" process would happen. Like in your mind you take a step back before labeling, before an act to identify with anything at all and you observe from a higher perspective.

    Your mistaking how you interpret "creating your own reality" Its not the same as for example like your creating a stick figure on a piece of paper using a pencil. Its closer to the way your creating vision by opening your eyes, Its rather an automatic function that works with you as you. Its just that the "external" world functions like that as well, because there are actually no boundaries but it takes a state change in consciousness for you to see it that way. Certain aspects of reality are only perceivable depending on your state. Different states offer different perceptions. At the level we are discussing its possible to become conscious of (or be able to perceive)  that creation process.

    I cant answer your question as to why certain elements manifest in your own reality and their randomness, but there are techniques you can begin doing to raise your own awareness and begin your own inquiry into that. Leo mentions them. 

    As for your last point, Your question is better phrased "How do I structure my life to satisfy my "desires/goals"  You basically just need to learn how to strategize your life in a manner that facilitates a path to reach your goals. You backwards engineer the step you need to take to arrive at your goal. As you engage in your day to day steps, which would consist of mainly learning and training or saving, is the manner in which your creating the potential to reach your goal. This varies greatly based on what you want. From skill development, to material possessions to relationships.

    The idea of manifestation and control I assume you have to influence things spontaneously at will at the moment you conceive them in your mind with no action just isn't something for your current state of consciousness. How-ever!

     The way you learn to manifest things is the degree you learn to discover what is required to manifest your desire. As well as the degree to which your able to let go. Manifestation works on the level of thought then you have to learn how to translate those thoughts into your direct experience via action taking. Manifesting a skill takes training and consistency. Obtaining material possessions requires money. How-ever, the experiences vary greatly; but based on your level of consciousness, sometimes your in the right place at the right time and what you need is provided. Sometimes by another person or you find it, and you may think to yourself how it seems to be a coincidence you obtained the thing but its a rare form of manifestation. Sometimes manifestation can be spontaneous at certain levels such as finding an item left in a random location you walk past minutes after it was on your mind, but you still had to go do the walking to find it. These example are vary rare but possible, the more you let go of wanting them the more likely they are to manifest for you, its about intention the letting go. Its not exactly known how this happens but its more common the higher your level of consciousness, but for a more grounded way to manifest material possessions you need be financially able to. How you manifest money is an entire skill in itself which you can research how to do. Manifestation is better stated as " the act of appearing in your reality" which your familiar with going to work and getting a paycheck and if you have direct deposit money manifests or appears into your bank account. Its easier understood when looking at it in that manner. Manifesting circumstances takes exploring and doing things that can lead up to it. Like if you wanted to manifest a trip to a car show you gotta look up car show locations and go attend one. 

    Control is an illusion but I can tell you how to manage the illusion of it. The degree you learn to control is the degree you can control yourself and manage your emotions. Then to the degree you understand how persuasion works, the degree you learn how anticipation works, the degree you can think steps ahead, and many other factors. It depends on which area you desire control in and what situation. For example if you desire to control people you need to learn the psychology of persuasion and how that whole process works. Understanding a persons habits, tendencies and aversions and attractions and how to influence those element in your favor. I do not encourage manipulating others to get what you want or to do things for you but that is an available option of control if you learn to do it properly. Another example is in Martial Arts I can control my opponent by learning how to anticipate his attacks based on his body movements or lead him into making a specific attack based on my own actions that will create an opening or a weak spot in his defenses that I will then take advantage of and launch a counter move such as an arm lock of some kind successfully controlling my opponent.  It all depends on what kind of control your looking for, what your agenda is. Then finding methods to do that. A funny example is you can control the flow of traffic if you drive in the fast lane the same speed and parallel to a vehicle in the slow lane successfully controlling the speed of all the other cars behind you. Control is how your able to dictate circumstances successfully and input your own adjustments to facilitate an outcome. 

     

     

    that was really elegantly and concisely written from my standpoint. Thankyou for putting the time into that. You went down and spoke at my level of understanding instead of trying to speak to me from above. That's really clarifying, particularly your recontextualization of creation and control. Put that text up on my computer wallpaper for a while to embody that.


  10. 53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Stop coming up with bullshit and go learn game.

    Game is game. It works everywhere, everywhen. It will even work on men and baboons.

    No it doesn't. 

    I've already learnt cold game, obviously doesnt work in warm game settings. Warm game is much more about mastering networking and social skills and designing an amazing life. Cold game is a very specific skill that only works in clubs and on the streets and festivals. Obviously lool. And even then theres different games in cold game, how you act in clubs is completely different to how you act in the street. If you apply night game to day or vice versa then you're an idiot. Game doesnt work everywhere. Lol.

    You posted about a RSD guy who did warm game, i cant find him on the internet, what was his name?


  11. 30 minutes ago, Kamo said:

    @electroBeam 

    The notion of "wanting" is all ego, that is why it just doesn't work like that. Desire comes from the ego. Its pretty much that a notion of preference is unnecessary for creation. Its kind of like reading a book. As your reading your manifesting the story in your mind but you dont get to choose what is manifested/imagined before you read the words, It is just "painting" the picture automatically as you read. Your still creating it all though, Same thing for reality. Except your personal self or ego is the story you experience in first person pov. Then everything from there is also the story called your life. 

    I get that, but reality isn't separate from ego or wanting. ego and wanting is just as true as god/consciousness.

    And you're right about how the universe spontaneously/nebulously creates things without your directed effort, but it doesn't resonate with me at all to identify with that, to call that god and to say that I am that. Identification is part of the creation and using identification to label or connote that behaviour of reality is just something that doesn't make sense to me at all.

    I also think its really fucken silly to say that you're creating reality and that you can manifest whatever you want when the truth is the universe manifests things without your control. You are not creating your own reality if you can't put your hand through the wall or burn your house with your finger tips, end of story.

    I have a desire to know why and how the nebulous spontaneous mega computer works and why it creates things randomly (or is it random?) and how it does it, etc.

    I also have a desire to know how to manifest things in the world and how to control it more to suit my agenda. I dont give a fuck about being egoic, getting what i want is a bigger priority to me then upholding some values of being non egoic. I dont care about enlightenment.


  12. 5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Anything you imagine hard enough is true for you. Because you are God and there is nothing else.

    The tip is: YOU ARE CREATING REALITY!

    If i truly were able to create reality, i wouldn't be creating so much self deception. I dont want that, i want whatever i realize to be true. If i think a girl likes me, i want that to materialize. If i think my mother just liked my sibling more because a particular event happened, i want that to materialize. I am not the one who deeply imagines hard enough that those 2 things happen, and then imagine that those 2 things didnt happen when i investigate further, i do not want the latter and if i was in control the latter would definitely not happen.

    I want whatever i imagine to predict with perfect accuracy whats going on, but still even after wanting that hard enough whatever happens is nebulous.

    I've had many trips where i realized i was god all alone and that everything i want to materialize doesnt exist. Yet even in that state, i cant put my hand through the wall even if i want to. I cant materialize up a gun even if i want to. It doesnt even feel like i am in control, it feels like some mega nebulous, abstract super computer is in control calling all the shots. 


  13. I've had several psychedelic trips where they strongly convinced me that something was true, and when I probed it in reality, it turned out it wasn't.

    I've had trips where it recounted my past and went through a memory I had about my mother. I felt like my mother treated me unfairly by dismissing me when she didn't with my sibling. The trip told me something like she did that because my sibling was XXX and I wasn't. At the time this gave me huge relief, but when I checked or probed it in reality, it wasn't true.

    I've had trips where it told me why a particular girl didn't like me. Again when I probed this in reality it wasn't real.

    These realizations from trips are quite big and convincing, they feel like major insights or realizations. I resonate deeply with them, they give me huge relief, and I feel more clarity, yet they just aren't true when you discern and investigate them further.

    The biggest reason why people trip is to get "lessons", "insights" from them. If you can't even trust the lessons or insights to be true, then what use are these lessons?

    I trip for a lot more then just lessons and insights, i mainly trip for recreation or exploring reality for fun, but besides that, can I trust the lessons and insights? Or do I always dismiss them?


  14. 8 minutes ago, Swarnim said:

    What I do is just provide people with what they need, if they ask for it and the time is right. I don't actually care to give them way better truths because it just won't make sense, hence it's completely pointless. And the main reason I do infact help someone is because it grows me and I love them. 

    My simple logic is that since there is infinite understanding, I am infinitely stupid, so is the person I am calling stupid. We're both stupid. Thinking of each other as fools.

    For the part where one gets made at arrogance and dogma, I think that can be overcome by not attaching themselves to being humble and clear. Or thinking that a more true worldview is somehow better. 

     

    Awesome!

    I think i judge myself when i say something foolish or when i act like an idiot. So maybe i should be ok with acting like an idiot or a fool and not try and be honest so much. Give myself the freedom to lie and deceive others and be arrogant and be a fool if i feel like being that way.

    Thats something i can imagine the mushroom gods doing at least. They dont care about being a good person or being wise. They are perfectly ok with murders and rapists and fools and idiots because its more free to be that if you want to.


  15. cool thanks!

    there's also that thing of each person has their own "truth", and so each person has their own perspective and neither of us are wrong or right. For you machine elves are real, for me they aren't. Thats fine we see the world differently.

    Like i guess i dont mind if you disagree with me or if you see things differently, that doesn't piss me off, what pisses me off is when you do that in an arrogant or close minded way which spouts dogma, deception, basically evilness. Its more the intention that is causing me resentment rather than the content. I'm perfectly non resentful towards people who believe in machine elves but its genuinely is true for them. I can sense really well when someone genuinely sees machine elves or whether they are bullshitting for some evil purpose like getting attention or maintaining dogma about their worldview or something like that.


  16. The situation im in now, I've explored consciousness a lot more deeply then the majority of people I meet - even ones in spiritual and psychedelic circles.

    I've also explored politics, dating, etc from a truth standpoint a lot more deeply then the people I meet.

    I use to express my views in the past (which to be completely honest, I know are more true then what the other people believe, because I've been where the other people have been before and I know why its not true and why my alternative is more true), but I stopped because it seemed arrogant and self defeating. It seemed like a wiser way was for me to keep my mouth shut with all of these fools, and just learn from them instead. Which works pretty well most of the time.

    I still have a throat chakra urge though all the time to tell people what's actually going on, yet I repress it heaps because of the above reason.

    I've told myself over and over that I should just repress it because these fools, as soon as I say something, they'll invalidate my experience, dismiss me, and then they'll say their view, have all of their other friends agree with them, and basically push me out. Which largely happens.

    Occasionally I can't handle it and will give them a lesson, and they end up shutting up because they just can't really overcome what im saying because I know all the areas they've gone and I know exactly how to show them how they are wrong.

    But even then, they still resist me heaps. They love saying their stupid views (which I've proven to myself are wrong) and just maintaining it.

    So I kinda now have a bit of hatred sprawling in me from this happening. I kinda have a "well if these guys get covid, good because they're idiots and didn't listen to me or the experts" sort of thing happening. My compassion for the human race, my friends, etc has literally been eaten up by my resentment of them resisting what I and other experts have to say about the matter. I just find their lack of listening offensive and disgusting.

    And now because of this resentment, I've kinda become deeply self centered and just care about improving myself, improving my knowledge/wisdom in matters, improving my education, and improving my skills. I'm in a, let me extract all the wisdom out of all these people and keep it to myself. And I wont give any back because these idiots don't deserve it because they resist me and fuck you.

    But its not feeling quite right, there's something wrong with me doing this. I'm feeling like a bit of a psychopath. And I'm looking for alternative perspectives of the matter to see if I can kinda get rid of this resentment.


  17. 5 hours ago, flowboy said:

    What is warm game?

    Do you mean social circle game?

    What does it mean to master it? Tell us what that looks like.

    I'd say mastering the process of having amazing and fulfilling intimate and sexual experiences in warm approach instead of cold approach.

    What is an attractive male in a social circle setting? How do you become one?

    How do you explore other women and have your needs best met with other women in a social circle while also getting her needs best met too - making that compromise. Ensuring things don't end ugly and ruin the social circle.

    How do you handle cock block sort of scenarios in social circle settings.

    How do you constantly keep meeting new people(and maximizing the amount of new people you meet) in a social circle setting, while also ensuring the people you meet have things in common with you and are healthy(meeting the right people)

    One thing that's really different about warm approach compared to cold approach is dealing with gossip, cliques, exclusion, bullying, etc. How do you manage that? How do you excel in a social circle setting? How do you control or influence the social circle? Etc.


  18. Hey guys!

    Who are the best warm game coaches out there, and what online courses or videos or stuff out there is the best for warm game?

    While not strictly warm game, life style academy seems pretty good, but im looking for something more specialized to dating in warm game. Stuff that will teach me the best wisdom, techniques, tools, frameworks, rules and golden standards to mastering warm game.

    Thanks in advance!


  19. 7 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

    The question itself is relative. Is there there a purpose to spiritual work in the Absolute sense?

    As I get deeper, it almost feels like the “point” of enlightenment is to eventually let go of the “point” I constructed in the first place...which puts me where I was before I even embarked on the journey.

    Ugh...strange loop!

    the point of enlightenment is to achieve it so you can show off that you're enlightened and the others aren't.


  20. 31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Do whatever you want but I ain't waiting a month to have sex.

    This does not hinder my ability to have a relationship.

    The thing is, strong successful men don't wait around for things. They see a thing and act on it immediately. This comes with the territory of being effective in the world. If a man is willing to wait a month to fuck you, this is not a guy you should be fucking. This is a lame beta guy who has no idea how to lead.

    A real man is clear about what he wants and is very proactive about it. Women find this highly attractive. Because this is how shit gets done in the world. This is how success is made. This is how wars are won. This is how empires are built. This is how rockets are launched. This is how fires are put out. This is how lives are saved.

    Agree with the general sentiment that fear is bad and women arent attracted to it. Also agree that covering up fear with sneaky excuses is vomit worthy.

    But i wouldn't limit your definition of alpha vs beta to speed. Wars arent always won by being a chest beating trump and making speed at which things done the main or only KPI. 

    Sometimes its smarter to calculate exactly how to win the war and do it slowly. Assess where your targets are, put good planning into it, think of all worst possible cases, plan best scenarios, act out on multi level action, etc.

    I've gotten girls who initially didnt like me in warm game by slowly over time getting more and more intimate with them, much like how you domesticate a wild cat. Im not a beta male for doing that, to the contrary all the guys who moved on when she said no are the actual beta males because their too insecure about them not getting any sex that they couldnt afford to put that effort in. 

    If you're insecure about not getting enough sex, i feel for you and go set hard time limits for sex. Theres nothing wrong with acting that way, but you're missing a lot of growth and practice on how to develop intimacy and connection without having the patience to do this. You're arent any better by not being patient and deciding to not take your time. 


  21. 2 minutes ago, tsuki said:

    Most women just wanna live life and have fun. The goal-centric view that dissects life into categories such as truth an spirituality is of little concern to them. It is very masculine.

    yeah sorry i think ill go into more detail about my situation:

    the latest one was I liked a hippy girl for over a year. Ever since the beginning she kinda shyed away from me. She just dismissed me and didn't show any interest/showed she had better priorities. I liked her so I went for her anyway.

    I decided to hang out with her a few times (acceptable in warm approach) and I did manage to get a bit intimate with her by joking with her, being playful and intimate. I tend to do a lot better on the intimacy front then on the sexual front. My body just naturally has way more oxytocin it feels then testosterone. I naturally feel like being very loving (hugs, caring, romantic) and that's where my desires are naturally drawn to. So I got pretty intimate with her, and she got better, she became less dismissive to me, she started saying yes more to hanging out with me, but when we hung out, there was still that platonic feeling we had. So I tried to break that too by being a bit sexual (role playing a bit through speech) and it kinda got somewhere, kinda didn't.

    Anyway she ended up fucking a douche bag instead who just left her. My initial impression was oh i must just have bad game then. Even though i can pick up chicks in the street somehow my game sucks?

    So I thought ok, i ended up telling her i had feelings for and tried to subtly and subconsciously probe her so i could figure out where my game went wrong. And the best I could get from her was that this other guy she really liked was into the exact same thing she's into (DJing and music) and she talked about her deep passions and how that feels and how mine are different.

    So my game either sucks or there's something else going on. I feel pretty confident in my game tbh loool. So im just trying to figure out how to improve myself and I need insights on how to move forward and get better with myself and women.

    I'm super curious about the limitations of game/pickup (seriously good analysis of limitations, I don't want limitations based on survival agendas of both males and females) and where it falls short. Is there any truth in my attraction being lower because she could sense that my soul's passions are different to hers, and did that make her feel less connected to me?

    I'm also curious as a corollary, to the effects of rapport and intimacy and that sort of stuff to picking up women. Pickup builds the sexual attraction, but that more friendshipy connection in a relationship... pickup doesn't touch that. Courses on intimacy and relationship councelling with sexologists do and I'm just more curious about whether im missing something there maybe.

    I probably could of fucked her to be completely honest, I self inflictedly stopped myself from fucking her because when you have feelings for someone, its natural for you to have desires to hug them and care for them and feed them and look after them, its not natural for you to wanna get in their pants if you truly have feelings for them. Sure if shes a hot stranger then all you're looking forward to is a wild time in bed (or in the forest :D :D :D ). Must I forgoe/suppress my genuine desire to care for someone to get her because I gotta fuck her? Is that something I have to do? Is there a better way?

    These are the juicy questions im really looking for.

    Leo (and other pickup artists) view of goal = sex is making me wanna vomit. I'm willing to accept that thats what you gotta do if it truly is what you gotta do, but considering i pulled quite a few pickup techniques on this girl AND i get girls on the street and i still didn't get her... makes me think that pickup has got limitations which are not being highlighted. And I wanna know what else is out there that i need to learn.

     


  22. 3 minutes ago, tsuki said:

    Yeah, maybe. Maybe women pick up on that and they are afraid to commit? 

    Knowing yourself is not a matter of intellectually inventing a perfect self, but rather of reverse-engineering it from what feels good to you so that you can present yourself with integrity. How well do you fare on that front?

    pretty fucken good when it comes to truth and spirituality. But not so good on other fronts.


  23. 28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    That is true for low value guys who got no game.

    The whole purpose of game is to make one so attractive as to condense that typical few months time-frame down to 4 hours.

    It sounds crazy, but it's possible to do. If you think about it, there is no good reason why it should take a few months to build a deep rapport with a stranger. It only takes that long when people are doing it lazily, unconsciously, by accident. But if you take conscious control over the process, it can happen much faster.

    From a guy's POV, waiting a month to sleep with a girl is just a giant waste of time and energy. As a guy we can figure out whether we want to sleep with a girl within 5 minutes. The rest is just cat and mouse games.

    Even though it's called "game", ironically it is women who play the most games. A guy is very clear about what he wants. So the guy's "game" is just a reflection of the game that women force him to play to get what he clearly knows he wants. Because if a guy does not play along with your games, you will reject him.

    Things would be much easier and simpler if we could just approach and say, "Hey, I like you. I think we should fuck." But this doesn't work. It's too truthful. Hence the game. Okay, game on.

    Fucking a girl and getting in a relationship are 2 different things though.

    Some guys wanna fuck a girl, some girls wanna fuck a guy, some guys wanna relationship with a girl, some girls wanna relationship with a guy.

    You're comparing apples with oranges. You can get ultra good with pickup and somehow fuck every 2-3 billion women on the earth. That's different to a relationship though.

    I think what emerald is talking about is a relationship.

    You can condense it to 4 hours, to get sex, but to be in a relationship, it could actually be even better game to have patience and allow things to boil over time.

    There are studies done that show relationships don't last as long the more sex you have. If you have less sex, the relationships last longer.

    You're too narrowly focused on just sex. There's more to relationships then sex, and this narrow focus doesn't help us guys build good relationships.

    We need more talk about compatibility and finding common interests. We need more talk about making a relationship last.

    You can fuck a girl extremely well and if all you got is pickup and amazing sex (and you dont have a life) then she'll leave you.

    And its perfectly possible to be extremely attractive and master pickup as a serial killer, murderer or rapist, good luck to those guys though in making a relationship last.

     

    The thing is, is that if you don't have much feelings for a girl and you just find her hot, you'll have the motivation to learn pickup and fuck her, and you probably will end up doing that. But if you have feelings for companionship and relationships, you probably wont wanna fuck her because you'll want to keep her in a relationship. You'll feel more like getting into her soul then her pants.

    And you also don't mention that no matter how attractive you are and how much of a sex or pickup master you are, there are gonna still be heaps of women who don't fall for it. There's heaps of asexual hippies out there who only sleep with guys she knows well. Don't delude people into thinking pickup will allow you to sleep with everyone, infact even extremely good pickup artists can only sleep with 30% of the population, that's highly ineffective. The rest of the 70% said no due to them having different types, tastes, compatibility, etc.

    This hasn't been proven by studies or talked about, but what I've also noticed is that your attraction is affected by common interests and what your passions are and what hers are. Its also affected by the type of life you have... stuff outside of pickup. So I find it a bit dishonest to make out that pickup makes you so so so attractive that it will allow you to do all this amazing stuff like condense shit to 4 hours when there's a lot more to attracting women then just pickup. If you're only giving guys a quarter of the picture, and making out its the entire picture, you'll have guys trying to get successful with women and failing.


  24. 19 minutes ago, Emerald said:

    Now, rejection is par for the course. You can expect some rejection. 

    But if you exist within this wider social circle and you’ve done 10 approaches within your circle within a short period of time, this is probably a strategic mess up. You can only approach strangers with that frequency without getting a reputation.

    So, if you’re doing warm approach with women and not cold approach, then I would guess that the rejections are coming from acting to quickly on your feelings before you’ve gotten clear signs of connection and interest from her. 

    If you wait and get to know her for a bit platonically and wait for these signs of deeper interest before revealing your feelings and intentions, then your rejection rate will probably drop quite a bit because you’ll be more selective about when you make your moves.

    A man who behaves by cold approach rules in a warm social circle, will communicate low value and lack of social attunement. 

    So, you may be applying the rules of cold approach to a warm approach scenario. So, I would change your strategy to one that’s slower and more selective.

    In pick-up, there are certain rules for approaching women that don’t work as much with women you see on a regular basis.

    For example, with pick up and cold approach, the advice is to lead with romantic/sexual intentions.

    But when you see women on a regular basis who exist as part of your wider social circle, I recommend adopting a default platonic orientation to the women in the group.

    This conveys something about your value, as it means you’re not needy or too sex-focused. And it also shows that you can have friendships with women, which is a sign of emotional maturity and balanced priorities in a man.

    Warm approach is trickier and takes more discernment and time. It also gives you fewer options.

    But it is the best way to find a compatible romantic partner. And it’s also what women like best.

    Is it possible for a girl to like you in warm approach even if you don't initiate shit loads of flirting.

    Traditionally I've actually been way better with warm approach then cold approach. I found it easy to pull off naturally. I've found it much harder in newer circles I've become apart of. In the past I didnt even need to flirt to get girls in warm approach, maybe now its different?

    47 minutes ago, tsuki said:

    The mistake seems to be a belief that you can create a relationship with any random person if you are developed enough. So, you take rejections as a sign of being flawed, or underdeveloped.

    The last thing you wanna do is to end up in a relationship where you want to pretend to be someone else, in order to sustain it. The women that reject you for not being compatible are giving you a favor. Keep looking until both of you are satisfied. There definitely is a person that is compatible with you out there.

    That being said, finding the compatible partner is the easiest part, it only goes uphill from there. Yet, I think it's worth it.

    thanks yeah im getting the gist that my problem is im still not sure yet of who I am and what my passions really are. And therefore im failing to really get clear on whose compatible with me and who isnt.